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GaYellowDawg

(4,447 posts)
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:25 AM Jan 2018

I hope this shutdown doesn't last too long.

First, because real people's paychecks are being affected, and second, because I have a bad feeling that Democrats will unjustly get blamed for this.

Fox will constantly pound away about it being a "Schumer shutdown" or whatever bullshit talking point they're circulating. That's a given, but I'm apprehensive that CNN and other actual news sources will go all "both sides" and lay partial blame on Democrats.

I'd like to see Trump concede and declare it a victory. Or for Congressional Republicans to panic a little and actually work something out.

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I hope this shutdown doesn't last too long. (Original Post) GaYellowDawg Jan 2018 OP
No one wants it to go on for a long time, but I don't want any resolution that does not include ... dawg Jan 2018 #1
I know. GaYellowDawg Jan 2018 #4
All due respect, but you do know that has zero chance of occurring from this? Cosmocat Jan 2018 #16
I guess we'll see soon enough. n/t dawg Jan 2018 #21
When's the day the SocSec checks are supposed to get mailed? Volaris Jan 2018 #2
SS is not funded by appropriations so will not be impacted. nt BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #3
They don't all come on one day anymore. The shutdown won't effect them anyhow. rzemanfl Jan 2018 #11
This Wednesday for me too. Yonnie3 Jan 2018 #12
They were taking it from us when interest on home mortgages was 16%. n/t rzemanfl Jan 2018 #13
True CountAllVotes Jan 2018 #20
Many people on Social Security are not "grandmas" CountAllVotes Jan 2018 #22
This is a fight for justice and compassion. Just read todays news bronxiteforever Jan 2018 #5
This is all political theater. The US has become a reality show and not a good one. walkingman Jan 2018 #6
Was there ever a "good" reality show? Wounded Bear Jan 2018 #15
It will be even worse for the Democrats if they cave in avebury Jan 2018 #7
There is no resolution to this that ends up with permanent status for DACA Cosmocat Jan 2018 #17
i hope this shutdown last AS LONG AS IT TAKES!!!! bluestarone Jan 2018 #8
Then we will get to hear about how the Democrats treestar Jan 2018 #9
Oh we'll hear that regardless Blue_Adept Jan 2018 #19
YIKES!!! gemini60616 Jan 2018 #10
Welcome to the Democratic Underground gemini60616 !! CountAllVotes Jan 2018 #14
There is plenty of hope...we will take the House I think and that will end Trump's dictator dreams. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #23
It will go on until the Repukes decide to end it. MoonRiver Jan 2018 #18
The election is a long way away. alarimer Jan 2018 #24
USAA is offering military families interest free loans during the shut down Dem_4_Life Jan 2018 #25
FYI CountAllVotes Jan 2018 #26
USAA Federal Savings Bank and USAA Savings Bank are both FDIC lenders hack89 Jan 2018 #28
I wouldn't know CountAllVotes Jan 2018 #29
....the optics look bad for Democrats member12 Jan 2018 #27
I'm concerned BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #30
Because GaYellowDawg Jan 2018 #31
See this that just happened today - BumRushDaShow Jan 2018 #32
Thank you for that! GaYellowDawg Jan 2018 #33

dawg

(10,624 posts)
1. No one wants it to go on for a long time, but I don't want any resolution that does not include ...
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:29 AM
Jan 2018

permanent legal status for the DACA recipients and long-term funding for the CHIP program.

It's time that we stopped allowing Republicans to toy with the lives of these children and young people.

GaYellowDawg

(4,447 posts)
4. I know.
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:36 AM
Jan 2018

And I know that a stand has to be taken. I just hope we can annihilate the damn Repukes in the midterms so it doesn't come to this kind of crap again. Hell, if we take both houses, I want us to completely ditch any procedure that requires more than a 1 vote victory and then run roughshod over those assholes.

Cosmocat

(14,565 posts)
16. All due respect, but you do know that has zero chance of occurring from this?
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:31 AM
Jan 2018

with DACA, right?

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
2. When's the day the SocSec checks are supposed to get mailed?
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:32 AM
Jan 2018

It'll end the day before that.
( yes, I know it isnt checks anymore, but it'll be the day before grandma is supposed to get paid. Trump is dumb enough to fuck around with that payment, but McConnell isn't, I think).

rzemanfl

(29,565 posts)
11. They don't all come on one day anymore. The shutdown won't effect them anyhow.
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:00 AM
Jan 2018

My grandma wife gets hers this Wednesday.

CountAllVotes

(20,875 posts)
20. True
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:35 AM
Jan 2018

Not enough pay to qualify for a car loan much less a HOME loan, so no home nor new car despite the fact I had a permanent full-time job w/benefits.

I was making abt. $6.00/hr. at that time and my rent took up most of my income for the month and that was in 1979 during the Carter years prior to Reagun.

All was not well in the pre-Reagun years only to worsen upon Reagun as president.

We'll be there again soon with inflation on the rise. Who will be able to flip houses and refinance ad infinitum when the rates go up to 8-10%+? Who? Only the rich, the usual suspects!





bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
5. This is a fight for justice and compassion. Just read todays news
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:36 AM
Jan 2018

ICE detains a Polish doctor and green-card holder who has lived in the U.S. for nearly 40 years

Lukasz Niec was 5 years old when his parents brought him and his sister to the United States from Poland. With two suitcases in tow, his parents — both doctors — left behind a country on the verge of social turmoil. It was 1979, about two years before the country’s authoritarian communist government declared martial law.
Niec received a temporary green card and, in 1989, became a lawful permanent resident. He grew up in Michigan, went to medical school, became a doctor, and raised a daughter and stepdaughter.
But on Tuesday morning, immigration authorities arrested Niec at his home, just after he had sent his 12-year-old stepdaughter off to school. Niec, a physician specializing in internal medicine at Bronson Healthcare Group in Kalamazoo, Mich., has been detained in a county jail ever since, awaiting a bond hearing and possible deportation.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/01/22/ice-detains-a-polish-doctor-and-green-card-holder-who-has-lived-in-the-u-s-for-nearly-40-years/

avebury

(10,952 posts)
7. It will be even worse for the Democrats if they cave in
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:39 AM
Jan 2018

and vote for a budget that does not give them a substantial payback like permanent status for DACA. Once the budget issue is resolved, the Democrats will be moved back to irrelevant status in what they can accomplish in Congress. Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer need to pull the Democrats behind closed door and hammer out one cohesive messaging plan for how they publicly respond to the shut down.

Cosmocat

(14,565 posts)
17. There is no resolution to this that ends up with permanent status for DACA
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:32 AM
Jan 2018

People have a serious misunderstanding of this situation.

bluestarone

(16,976 posts)
8. i hope this shutdown last AS LONG AS IT TAKES!!!!
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:44 AM
Jan 2018

to get what we NEED!! DO NOT TRUST THE BASTARDS plain and simple. If we learned anything we learned this!!!!

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
19. Oh we'll hear that regardless
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:35 AM
Jan 2018

And we've heard it repeatedly over the weekend, last week, last month as well.

It's hard to get the message out when the news programs and pundit programs largely bring in Republicans tho.

And when you have such willful denial that there is any messaging being done. How often do we hear people complain that Democrats in office arent' saying anything about any of the insane things going on but if you go and actually look at their social media side where it shows their statements as well as local interviews and the like where they take their stands. It's come down to "if it doesn't get full national coverage of being said, then nobody is saying anything and we're failing."

gemini60616

(5 posts)
10. YIKES!!!
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:57 AM
Jan 2018

All day long yesterday I had CNN on while working on my taxes for 2017.
Let me tell you, they were sounding more and more like Faux News with
each passing hour. All of these stations are corporate-owned but I
expected more of CNN.

The only hope is that Dump continues to do and say more horrific things
between now and the mid-terms.

CountAllVotes

(20,875 posts)
14. Welcome to the Democratic Underground gemini60616 !!
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:28 AM
Jan 2018
& Welcome to the Democratic Underground!

I agree, these news stations all sound very much alike to me as well. Faux news is the worst of them however. I cannot stand to look at them, much less listen to them, as they are all so very despicable!



alarimer

(16,245 posts)
24. The election is a long way away.
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:46 AM
Jan 2018

If this shutdown ends soon (and there are no others--I wouldn't be sure of that myself) I don't think most people will care by then. They will move on to something else. And Trump will almost certainly do something else reprehensible (probably many things) before then.

Democrats really need to keep up the pressure. AND keep showing videos of obstructionist Republicans.

Dem_4_Life

(1,765 posts)
25. USAA is offering military families interest free loans during the shut down
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:48 AM
Jan 2018

They have done this in the past for previous shut downs. Randolph Brooks FCU here in San Antonio is also offering interest free loans too.

CountAllVotes

(20,875 posts)
26. FYI
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 12:14 PM
Jan 2018
USAA portends to be a "bank". They are not FDIC insured as they are a life insurance company! Investments/Insurance: Not FDIC Insured

Had an acct. w/them at one point in time but they lost it! Have not bothered w/them and their faux "criteria" for eligibility to be an acct. holder w/them since. They sicken me frankly!

Good luck!



hack89

(39,171 posts)
28. USAA Federal Savings Bank and USAA Savings Bank are both FDIC lenders
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 12:48 PM
Jan 2018

I bank with USAA and think they are an excellent company.

 

member12

(81 posts)
27. ....the optics look bad for Democrats
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 12:42 PM
Jan 2018

Maybe we don't deserve blame, but that isn't how this will play out. It was a miscalculation.

GaYellowDawg

(4,447 posts)
31. Because
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 09:06 PM
Jan 2018

I'm really feeling overwrought about the 2018 elections. I want us to take both houses of Congress so badly. I'm so worried that just about anything will turn on us and leave the Republicans in charge of one or both houses. I know that Trump's numbers are in the dumpster and Congressional Republicans are attached at the hip to him (not really the hip, more like their lips to his ass) and that should result in a massive turnaround in Congress and gain us at least one of the houses. But I saw the country ignore a qualified woman who had the most lopsided victories I've ever seen in debates and saw the media run with so many false equivalencies and then every moron in America turned out to initiate the Idiocracy. I'm worried that the same morons will grasp at any excuse to come out again and ruin the country for at least another 2 years. After seeing Trump get elected, I'm paranoid about disaster. I think the shutdown is the right thing to do. But in this country, that doesn't mean you get rewarded for it. Quite the opposite most of the time, it seems.

BumRushDaShow

(129,092 posts)
32. See this that just happened today -
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 09:13 PM
Jan 2018
Pennsylvania’s Supreme Court just gave Democrats a big win on redistricting

In a decision that could tilt the congressional balance of power in a key swing state in favor of Democrats, Pennsylvania's highest court decided Monday that the state's GOP-drawn congressional districts violate its Constitution, and ordered all 18 districts redrawn in the next few weeks.

Less partisan congressional districts could give Democrats a chance this November to win back as many as half a dozen seats that had been lost to them over the past decade. It could also give the party a major boost in its quest to take back the House of Representatives, where Democrats need to net 24 seats to win control of the chamber.

“Yet another gerrymandered district map thrown out!!” tweeted Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) of the news. Today’s decision is a victory for democracy and another blow to the Republican Party’s nationwide effort to game the system," said Tom Perez, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, in a statement.

In a 4-to-3 decision, Pennsylvania's Supreme Court ordered the Republican-controlled state legislature to redraw the lines by Feb. 9, an extraordinarily quick timeline that will reset the districts in time for the state's May congressional primaries. Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf will have veto power over the maps.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/01/22/pennsylvanias-supreme-court-just-gave-democrats-a-big-win-on-redistricting/?utm_term=.56f2b67db236




TEXT
Sheldon Whitehouse

@SenWhitehouse

Yet another gerrymandered district map thrown out!! Pennsylvania overall cast more D votes than R votes for House in 2012, yet sent 13-5 R/D delegation to Congress thanks to "bulk gerrymandering." https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/01/22/pennsylvanias-supreme-court-just-gave-democrats-a-big-win-on-redistricting/?utm_term=.62fe0c028a5a&wpisrc=al_news__alert-politics--alert-national&wpmk=1
2:56 PM - Jan 22, 2018
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