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NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 01:32 PM Jan 2018

So we've got CHIP for 6 years and if they refuse to save the DACA "kids" in 17 days...

we get to shut it down again?

If I'm correct, it sounds like a good deal. If/when they don't save DACA, we'll shut it down until they pass a DACA bill.

I don't trust McTurtle and dipshit Donnie, but if they refuse, we will feel righteous in shutting it down again.

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So we've got CHIP for 6 years and if they refuse to save the DACA "kids" in 17 days... (Original Post) NightWatcher Jan 2018 OP
Yeah, but the second time, they really could blame the shutdown on Democrats n/t SFnomad Jan 2018 #1
after mcturtle breaks a promise? unblock Jan 2018 #5
And we can say it's because they lied. I think the pukes will still look at fault. NightWatcher Jan 2018 #6
Then let them...and this will be the FINAL STAND. n/t Kirk Lover Jan 2018 #7
I don't see how the media falls for that spin again mcar Jan 2018 #24
CHIP would have passed as a clean bill in both the house and senate. We got nothing Freethinker65 Jan 2018 #2
The repukes were never going to bring it up for a vote NightWatcher Jan 2018 #8
Yes. Public pressure and American white Trump voters kids being hurt...it had bipartisan support Freethinker65 Jan 2018 #12
They probably will refuse. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #19
We're dealing with a very stable snake and a very stable genius dalton99a Jan 2018 #3
Did they fund the clinics? janterry Jan 2018 #4
They have to tread carefuly awesomerwb1 Jan 2018 #9
That's the way I see it uponit7771 Jan 2018 #10
They won't have CHIP to hold over our heads MattP Jan 2018 #11
One priority down, and next shut down hopefully we get task two done :) Johonny Jan 2018 #13
The GOP was holding two hostages, CHIP and DACA. Bleacher Creature Jan 2018 #14
You only get to shut it down once and blame them. If we extend it and then try to shut it down TeamPooka Jan 2018 #15
Not if they renege on their deal... Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #17
Then it's on Democrats for being suckers. TeamPooka Jan 2018 #20
BS - if McConnell leftynyc Jan 2018 #23
It is the best deal we were going to get. And no matter what they can't Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #16
And so it goes...again and again?.... . until April/March elfin Jan 2018 #18
We got 17 days to get mobilized. kydo Jan 2018 #21
Unfortunately it seems like only dreamers will be the ones getting mobilized Freethinker65 Jan 2018 #22

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
6. And we can say it's because they lied. I think the pukes will still look at fault.
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 01:34 PM
Jan 2018

Damn my pragmatism.

Freethinker65

(10,024 posts)
2. CHIP would have passed as a clean bill in both the house and senate. We got nothing
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 01:34 PM
Jan 2018

Now we wait to see if McConnell holds up his end of the agreement...floor vote of DACA with endless amendments...and you can bet some amendments will be doozies. And the house can refuse to even consider it?

Freethinker65

(10,024 posts)
12. Yes. Public pressure and American white Trump voters kids being hurt...it had bipartisan support
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 01:40 PM
Jan 2018

The GOP leaders just held it back for ransom, as they will do with something else everyone agrees on...and bludgeon the Democrats once again.

I guess we now will see in 3 weeks, if anything has changed.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
19. They probably will refuse.
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 01:56 PM
Jan 2018

The reality is that unless the Gop wants to help DACA and I see no sign of that...there is little we can do.

awesomerwb1

(4,268 posts)
9. They have to tread carefuly
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 01:36 PM
Jan 2018

as the right wing propaganda machine will pit US citizens against "illegals". It already started with Mcturtle and the hideous ad they ran on tv.

You don't want to risk this becoming an us US citizens) vs them (DACA) thing. If this drags on too long the Dreamer's cause could suffer because the reps are shameless and racist.

Bleacher Creature

(11,257 posts)
14. The GOP was holding two hostages, CHIP and DACA.
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 01:51 PM
Jan 2018

If it's true that they released CHIP, they have less to bargain with next time. That's a win in my book, so long as they are willing to shut things down again in three weeks if there's no deal on DACA.

TeamPooka

(24,229 posts)
15. You only get to shut it down once and blame them. If we extend it and then try to shut it down
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 01:54 PM
Jan 2018

again in Feb. then the public will blame us.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
23. BS - if McConnell
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:55 PM
Jan 2018

LIED, that doesn't help the cons at all. AND we got 6 more years of CHIP funded. All this angst is stupid.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
16. It is the best deal we were going to get. And no matter what they can't
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 01:54 PM
Jan 2018

pit Daca against Chip next time.

elfin

(6,262 posts)
18. And so it goes...again and again?.... . until April/March
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 01:56 PM
Jan 2018

Then a mega-shitstorm as DACA is on the edge (March 5) and craven Repugs try to besmirch a "clean" DACA bill with all sorts of chicanery to obliterate the remaining shreds of ACA, along with other giveaways to their buddies.

Final Line in the Sand for Dems, even after they have most likely caved more on "The Wall."

Just in time for state primaries for Congress and Senate for the November Midterms.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
21. We got 17 days to get mobilized.
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:00 PM
Jan 2018

This is not as bad a deal as it might look to the dem base.

CHIP is no longer a hostage.

Rethugs got 17 days to do something they despise.

Dems got 17 days to get prepared. 17 days to make protest signs. Shoot we should floats and awesome effigies to burn with 17 days to plan.











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