On the plus side, we're keeping our powder dry.

And to the GOP, I say: Fund CHIP, you stupid fuckers!

On the other hand, given the pain inflicted with the shut down by fugging up the plastic spoon caviar party, Dems scored a win.

Any time I hear "McConnell" and "promise," I call foul, especially when he only "promised" to open debate. He might open it for 45 seconds at 2:00 in the morning and only allow a Republican to speak, for instance.

the utter incompetent ability of the repugs to govern despite running all there branches of government.

Repug asses will be in the spotlight for these 3 weeks and if they renege on their promise another shutdown begins — and they know the Dems hold that 60-vote power over them. They can't get away with 50 votes and Pence breaking the tie to give them a win.

I think of a story that is alleged to have happened at a major comic book company many decades ago.

There was an artist who was doing excellent work, but it was on a title he really did not like doing. He went to the publisher and asked to transfer to one of the many titles featuring a more-popular character. The publisher told him there were no openings for that character's line, but assured him that if an opening came up this artist could have it.

A few weeks later, one of the artists working on that character announced his decision to leave the company, and the publisher added that the new artist would be <someone-other-than-aforementioned-artist>.

<Aforementioned-artist> read the news, came to the publishing office, and confronted the publisher with "But, <publisher-name>, you promised that book to me!"

To which, the publisher is alleged to have said, in front of witnesses, "Look, <aforementioned-artist>, if you're going to start holding me to my promises, I'm going to have to stop making them!"

I think it was a good move.

...winning the fight! And, I think because we were/are winning the fight, Schumer saw that we still have a lot of leverage. GOP was willing to let the country go up in flames. This makes us look like the adults in the room. Schumers not dumb.

I don't see it that way at all. The Democrats are the minority and there's a limit to their bargaining power. To avoid being blamed for a long-term shutdown which would hurt the economy and deprive millions of federal employees of their paychecks, they agreed to a solution which is not by any means entirely satisfactory but has the advantage of letting the Democrats take credit for reopening the government while leaving DACA on the table.

The republicans hold all the cards and control 100% of the government so let's beat up on the democrats and give the lousy MF'ers that are controlling all this a pass.

Sure is fun for some to beat up their only friends and allies in Washington DC I guess?

It means that the GOP has fewer things to hold over there heads in three weeks.

All they got for this was a “promise” from McConnel. I think we all know how much that is worth.

So that "promise" means nothing.

Goodbye, Dreamers.

In some ways, once things shut down, you've got a lot of sunk costs that will be incurred again come Feb. 8. McConnell lied to a Senator in his own caucus to get her vote on the tax cuts, which led to the current state of affairs. Has McConnell suddenly become more trustworthy, or are Democrats just giving McConnell another chance to lie to a fresh set of people?

I'm not happy at all about the shutdown, and slightly happier that it may end. There are lives at stake. But if McConnell proves again that his promise isn't worth the breath, the Senate should just shut down the government until November. Because what we have now in power isn't governance, it's terrorism.

Granted, I would have liked the Ds to hold firm, but if they were going to strike a compromise of some sort in order to get the fed govt working again, today was the day to do it. Waiting longer would likely have eroded some of the public support we now enjoy. Doing it today solidifies that support and now puts the onus entirely on the Rs going forward.

Daily Beast got it wrong. Both sides compromised here. Surprisingly, I think it was a good stroke for us. One, we can't be held accountable for the Rs not following through on their promise. And two, since it's very likely that the McTurtle and Trump will not see eye to eye on any DACA proposal given Trump's loyalty to Miller and his alt-right base, the diivide between the two and within the GOP will only widen; that's a good thing.

on this DACA issue. This was the scrimmage, now time to play the real game, and we hold the cards.

again in Feb. then the public will blame us.
The GOP knows this.

Going to be hard to sell blame on the dems if McConnell doesn’t deliver on his part of the deal.

a new shutdown will be SURELY on the Repukes, and that shutdown would continue.

Why wasn't this shutdown on them, seeing as they run everything? None of this works that way unfortunately.

A scan of social media shows that people blame Democrats and Republicans in more or less equal measure, with Democrats being condemned for "valuing illegals over the safety of our military personnel."

Yes, it's bullshit, but that's the mantra. Lather, rinse, repeat.

If we couldn't get that across, it is our fault. But it's hard to shut down the government, and next time we should have an iron clad reason. I may be too optimistic. Democrats have let me down before. But I will give them a chance.

If Feb 8 comes along with no deal then we shut down again. The important thing this time is we don’t re-authorize spending after that, until TRUMP’s signature is on the DACA bill, keeping in mind that Trump would love nothing better to get a longer term spending bill and then not keep his DACA promise. He is a LIAR, and to me its clear from his behavior that is his goal is to throw these people out of their home, knowing his base would absolutely love it.

and I'm usually among the first to yell about spineless Democrats.

I think Schumer played this well. McConnell made an offer that sounds like reasonable (and might be if he keeps his word) - the Democrats accepted. Refusing it would have been overplaying our hand. Now if McConnell does not keep his word, it's not the Democrats who will look like they're not willing to play nice.

And the Dems didn't fold, either. They got the best deal they could under the circumstances - CHIP is funded and is now separated from DACA so neither can be held for ransom by threatening the other.

Is that part of the deal?

McConnell's promises aren't worth the shit they're written in.

The GOP will nto do the right thing even if it would save their mother from dowrning in a lava pit.

Yet my post was hidden for “bashing democrats”


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210127599

this move.

Ratfuckers can't control themselves. "Leftists" are outing themselves like HA Goodman during primaries.