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kentuck

(111,102 posts) Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:06 PM Jan 2018

The most important part of the Senate vote was the message it sent to the White House.

They could not have been happy. Their entire strategy for survival is one of division. Donald Trump cannot be assured that he would survive an impeachment trial with numbers like today. That alone makes the "shutdown" a victory for America.

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The most important part of the Senate vote was the message it sent to the White House. (Original Post) kentuck Jan 2018 OP

What is the message it sent to the White House? oberliner Jan 2018 #1

i don't think a 3-week extension really counts as an "end" to the shutdown. unblock Jan 2018 #3

I agree... this very public "promise " from Mitch Mc Connell Zoonart Jan 2018 #5

It seems that both Parties have finally realized that they cannot work with Donald Trump. kentuck Jan 2018 #6

They got more than they wanted... kentuck Jan 2018 #4

the bipartisan group that crafted this compromise bigtree Jan 2018 #2

Congress is quickly learning they can ignore trump duforsure Jan 2018 #7

oberliner

(58,724 posts)

1. What is the message it sent to the White House?

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:07 PM

Jan 2018

Didn't they get what they wanted? An end to the shutdown and no deal on DACA?

unblock

(52,251 posts)

3. i don't think a 3-week extension really counts as an "end" to the shutdown.

Reply to oberliner (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:10 PM

Jan 2018

the issue has just been deferred for three weeks.

the government reopens while they negotiate.

the shutdown returns if there's no agreement at that point.

Zoonart

(11,869 posts)

5. I agree... this very public "promise " from Mitch Mc Connell

Reply to unblock (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:15 PM

Jan 2018

is a risky thing for him to renege on. It would promptly resume the shut down and the Thugs would not be able to claim it was the Democrats fault. Also, having given in on CHIP, the CHIP vs DACHA, Sophie's Choice has ceased to exist. Seems like reneging on the promise does not have an upside for Mitch and that's why the Democrats agreed to this.
Just MHO.

kentuck

(111,102 posts)

6. It seems that both Parties have finally realized that they cannot work with Donald Trump.

Reply to Zoonart (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:19 PM

Jan 2018

With this vote, Trump cannot be re-assured that he could fire Mueller and get away with it. It's not even spring and "bi-partisanship" has broken out like cherry blossoms, which in this case, is not a good sign for this White House.

kentuck

(111,102 posts)

4. They got more than they wanted...

Reply to oberliner (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:11 PM

Jan 2018

They never expected such an over-whelming bi-partisan vote to open the government. That does not bode well for the White House in the future if the Senate continues to work in a "bi-partisan" way. They seem to finally recognize that they are an equal branch of government.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)

2. the bipartisan group that crafted this compromise

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:09 PM

Jan 2018

...has to shake them.

They're working right now on a plan to put a wedge between them and upset the process.

I think Trump's credibility is non-existent, even among his allies.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)

7. Congress is quickly learning they can ignore trump

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:21 PM

Jan 2018

, and are better off working with the people in Congress, and without him.

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