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drray23

(7,633 posts)
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:13 PM Jan 2018

mark my words. The immigration deal will fail.

It won't work because Mc Connell already said he will put on the agenda after Feb 8th, DACA along with border security and related items. In short, its not a clean DACA bill, they will attach a load of bullcrap that we wont be able to go for.

McConnell will be able to say he kept his promise and we will be screwed.

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mark my words. The immigration deal will fail. (Original Post) drray23 Jan 2018 OP
Yup. Under the bus we go. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2018 #1
Under the bus... atreides1 Jan 2018 #4
Totally Agree With You.....nt global1 Jan 2018 #2
Yep. Schumer fell for the Lucy scam. Baitball Blogger Jan 2018 #3
+1. . . n/t annabanana Jan 2018 #6
What on earth was he thinking?!? Joe941 Jan 2018 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author TDale313 Jan 2018 #5
the specifics of the promise don't much matter. unblock Jan 2018 #7
And if the Democrats don't dig in the next time avebury Jan 2018 #14
they may end up with trouble with their base NOW RandomAccess Jan 2018 #20
Yeah, but gee whiz, kids! Our leaders can't be expected to pick up on Atticus Jan 2018 #8
Gee whiz kids...too bad voters didn't put the Dems in power so none of this happened... Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #16
BOY, are YOU off base RandomAccess Jan 2018 #21
It will come to the floor for a vote... kentuck Jan 2018 #9
Another Scenario Is That McConnell Will Keep His End Of The Deal - The Senate Will.... global1 Jan 2018 #10
But when a vote gets 81 Senators... kentuck Jan 2018 #11
In that case, the visual of dreamers being rounded up will INCREASE the blue wave in November scheming daemons Jan 2018 #13
There will be a DACA vote.... or Dems will have buttloads of TV ads for '18. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #12
And? That would be the GOP's fault not the Democrat's fault...we have no levers of power to get it Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #15
Won't they be back doing the same thing Feb 8th? They could face another shutdown, No? The_Casual_Observer Jan 2018 #17
The difference is that CHIP is now funded for six years...so no more DACA vs CHIP. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #19
Definitely have 60 votes for a deal - question of getting there. Justice Jan 2018 #18
If it eventually fails, it will only be because we are in the minority. VOTE! Vinca Jan 2018 #22

Response to drray23 (Original post)

unblock

(52,253 posts)
7. the specifics of the promise don't much matter.
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:22 PM
Jan 2018

we didn't agree to pass whatever daca bill he comes up with no matter the strings attached.

nor did we agree to fund the government beyond the 3-week negotiating period.


if congress can't pass something democrats can live with, then the shutdown returns and we renegotiate.


at worst all we gave up was a 3-week delay.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
14. And if the Democrats don't dig in the next time
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:33 PM
Jan 2018

they may end up with trouble with their own base. They will be able to prove that the Rethugs can't be trusted. I am so sick and tired of the Democrats caving. The budget votes are the only time that the Democrats have any kind of leverage and I hate to see them waste it.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
20. they may end up with trouble with their base NOW
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 04:07 PM
Jan 2018

IMO Schumer had no business getting into this if he didn't intend to see it through.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
8. Yeah, but gee whiz, kids! Our leaders can't be expected to pick up on
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:23 PM
Jan 2018

such intricate and totally not obvious probabilities. Boy, those Republicans are SLICK!

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
16. Gee whiz kids...too bad voters didn't put the Dems in power so none of this happened...
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:35 PM
Jan 2018

The Dems do what they can...but voters fucked up badly.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
21. BOY, are YOU off base
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 04:09 PM
Jan 2018


pnwmom:
Hillary didn't lose because she was less POPULAR. She lost because of James Comey's letters and because of some even more important factors -- more important because they're not going away. They will be used against us in every election going forward, unless we can stop them.

The big problems are voter suppression, Russian meddling, and targeted voter propaganda through Twitter, Google, Facebook, and other forms of social media. There is no question that the Trump campaign, through Cambridge Analytica, did this -- and that the Russians did this. The only question is how much they conspired together in the propaganda campaign.

We need to figure out how to defend the democratic process from fake news and micro-targeted AI propaganda -- or lose our democracy. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029576691



Here is how they stole the election, well this and KGB operatives V Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922

Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824

Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/



23:00 6/25/2017
PALMER: Rigged election: Donald Trump won every surprise swing state by the same 1% margin
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/rigged-election-donald-trump-won-every-surprise-swing-state-by-the-same-1-margin/118/

The most commonly posited explanation of Donald Trump’s shocking election victory was that every professional pollster in the nation – despite each working independently and using differing methodologies – somehow managed to overlook the same pockets of Trump voters in these states. If such pockets did exist, they would have existed in varying sizes in each of the four states, thus resulting in different sized wins in each.

Ask any statistician and they’ll tell you that a reasonable distribution of the results would have been Trump winning one of the states by one percent, won one of them by perhaps three percent, won one of them by two percent, lost one of them by one percent, or something along those lines. But instead the voting tallies looked startlingly different from any natural distribution. In fact they looked startlingly the same.

According to the New York Times, the voting results broke down like this: Trump won Florida by just over one percent of the vote. He also won Pennsylvania by just over one percent. He won Michigan by just under one percent. And he won Wisconsin by precisely one percent. That’s not how numbers tend to work in the real world.

On its own, this kind of suspiciously consistent numerical dispersion across the four states that decided the election would be something that could be written off as a mere fluke. But when you put it within the context of the numerous other ways in which the voting tallies make no mathematical sense, it points to the numbers having been rigged or altered.

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
9. It will come to the floor for a vote...
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:24 PM
Jan 2018

And most of the Senators that voted to re-open the government today will vote to protect the "Dreamers". However, there will be no guarantees beyond that. Since Democrats do not control either branch of government, that would be a victory, in my opinion.

global1

(25,253 posts)
10. Another Scenario Is That McConnell Will Keep His End Of The Deal - The Senate Will....
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:25 PM
Jan 2018

come up with some deal on DACA and Trump will scuttle it.

I wouldn't be surprised if Mitch and Trump have worked that out already.

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
11. But when a vote gets 81 Senators...
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:28 PM
Jan 2018

Any President will have to think twice before talking about a veto. It would be terribly embarrassing to have your veto over-ridden.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
12. There will be a DACA vote.... or Dems will have buttloads of TV ads for '18.
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:30 PM
Jan 2018

Dems hold the leverage now.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
15. And? That would be the GOP's fault not the Democrat's fault...we have no levers of power to get it
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:34 PM
Jan 2018

done...any chance we could do much of anything ended in November of 16...our leaders have done a remarkable job thus far but there are limits...I hope it works...but it may not. We have no other option.

Justice

(7,188 posts)
18. Definitely have 60 votes for a deal - question of getting there.
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:37 PM
Jan 2018

I think McConnell will be forced by his own fellow GOP to put up bill. The real issue is what happens if Senate passes? What will Ryan do?

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
22. If it eventually fails, it will only be because we are in the minority. VOTE!
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 04:09 PM
Jan 2018

You can't wave a magic wand and turn Republicans into sane people.

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