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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsmark my words. The immigration deal will fail.
It won't work because Mc Connell already said he will put on the agenda after Feb 8th, DACA along with border security and related items. In short, its not a clean DACA bill, they will attach a load of bullcrap that we wont be able to go for.
McConnell will be able to say he kept his promise and we will be screwed.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Sad.
atreides1
(16,079 posts)...the Dreamers go!!!!
global1
(25,253 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,736 posts)Schumer, you blockhead!
annabanana
(52,791 posts)Joe941
(2,848 posts)Response to drray23 (Original post)
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unblock
(52,253 posts)we didn't agree to pass whatever daca bill he comes up with no matter the strings attached.
nor did we agree to fund the government beyond the 3-week negotiating period.
if congress can't pass something democrats can live with, then the shutdown returns and we renegotiate.
at worst all we gave up was a 3-week delay.
avebury
(10,952 posts)they may end up with trouble with their own base. They will be able to prove that the Rethugs can't be trusted. I am so sick and tired of the Democrats caving. The budget votes are the only time that the Democrats have any kind of leverage and I hate to see them waste it.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)IMO Schumer had no business getting into this if he didn't intend to see it through.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)such intricate and totally not obvious probabilities. Boy, those Republicans are SLICK!
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)The Dems do what they can...but voters fucked up badly.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)pnwmom:
Hillary didn't lose because she was less POPULAR. She lost because of James Comey's letters and because of some even more important factors -- more important because they're not going away. They will be used against us in every election going forward, unless we can stop them.
The big problems are voter suppression, Russian meddling, and targeted voter propaganda through Twitter, Google, Facebook, and other forms of social media. There is no question that the Trump campaign, through Cambridge Analytica, did this -- and that the Russians did this. The only question is how much they conspired together in the propaganda campaign.
We need to figure out how to defend the democratic process from fake news and micro-targeted AI propaganda -- or lose our democracy. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029576691
Here is how they stole the election, well this and KGB operatives V Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922
Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824
Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/
PALMER: Rigged election: Donald Trump won every surprise swing state by the same 1% margin
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/rigged-election-donald-trump-won-every-surprise-swing-state-by-the-same-1-margin/118/
The most commonly posited explanation of Donald Trumps shocking election victory was that every professional pollster in the nation despite each working independently and using differing methodologies somehow managed to overlook the same pockets of Trump voters in these states. If such pockets did exist, they would have existed in varying sizes in each of the four states, thus resulting in different sized wins in each.
Ask any statistician and theyll tell you that a reasonable distribution of the results would have been Trump winning one of the states by one percent, won one of them by perhaps three percent, won one of them by two percent, lost one of them by one percent, or something along those lines. But instead the voting tallies looked startlingly different from any natural distribution. In fact they looked startlingly the same.
According to the New York Times, the voting results broke down like this: Trump won Florida by just over one percent of the vote. He also won Pennsylvania by just over one percent. He won Michigan by just under one percent. And he won Wisconsin by precisely one percent. Thats not how numbers tend to work in the real world.
On its own, this kind of suspiciously consistent numerical dispersion across the four states that decided the election would be something that could be written off as a mere fluke. But when you put it within the context of the numerous other ways in which the voting tallies make no mathematical sense, it points to the numbers having been rigged or altered.
kentuck
(111,103 posts)And most of the Senators that voted to re-open the government today will vote to protect the "Dreamers". However, there will be no guarantees beyond that. Since Democrats do not control either branch of government, that would be a victory, in my opinion.
global1
(25,253 posts)come up with some deal on DACA and Trump will scuttle it.
I wouldn't be surprised if Mitch and Trump have worked that out already.
kentuck
(111,103 posts)Any President will have to think twice before talking about a veto. It would be terribly embarrassing to have your veto over-ridden.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Dems hold the leverage now.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)done...any chance we could do much of anything ended in November of 16...our leaders have done a remarkable job thus far but there are limits...I hope it works...but it may not. We have no other option.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)Justice
(7,188 posts)I think McConnell will be forced by his own fellow GOP to put up bill. The real issue is what happens if Senate passes? What will Ryan do?
Vinca
(50,278 posts)You can't wave a magic wand and turn Republicans into sane people.