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Roland99

(53,342 posts)
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:34 PM Jan 2018

Look, this is really simple. Dems have NO control right now. None.

Only by holding things hostage can they even begin to direct legislation and policy away from right wing extremism

This is why the 2018 midterms are INCREDIBLY important!!

Imagine Der Twitler having to deal with Dem majorities in the House *and* the Senate??

Let this motivate us all to canvas, make calls, help register and GOTV!

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Look, this is really simple. Dems have NO control right now. None. (Original Post) Roland99 Jan 2018 OP
+1000 kentuck Jan 2018 #1
K&R!!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2018 #2
And yet somehow Repugs manage to ram their shit through TDale313 Jan 2018 #3
We got policy through up until the hold their fee to the fire crowd helped us lose the house. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #5
so a 6-year CHIP extension is nothing? separating CHIP from DACA is nothing? 0rganism Jan 2018 #19
Open your eyes.. Cha Jan 2018 #25
And your option would have been? Bradshaw3 Jan 2018 #26
Post removed Post removed Jan 2018 #28
The Mommy Party always does the right thing. maxsolomon Jan 2018 #4
We are like the True Mother in the Solomon story...where the fake mother was fine with slicing the Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #7
Bingo! And we can force the DACA issue in 3 weeks if need be. Roland99 Jan 2018 #8
K&R mcar Jan 2018 #6
The real hostage taker: Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #9
Both parties will try to use this situation with an eye on November elections. Raven123 Jan 2018 #10
I agree not fooled Jan 2018 #11
February DownriverDem Jan 2018 #17
Kick orangecrush Jan 2018 #12
And despite no control, we just got 9 million hostages released. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #13
i agree...we did a hell of a job getting this in the spotlight... samnsara Jan 2018 #14
Agree +1000000 bronxiteforever Jan 2018 #15
Makes you wonder DownriverDem Jan 2018 #16
I often wonder at the posters on here who don't seem to know how it works Bradshaw3 Jan 2018 #27
If that were true...why did the government shutdown happen? TCJ70 Jan 2018 #18
they have no control because we give 1200 coordinated radio stations a free speech free ride certainot Jan 2018 #20
At least gerrymandering is being reined in Roland99 Jan 2018 #21
How do "we" do that? treestar Jan 2018 #22
here are a 7 things people can do: certainot Jan 2018 #23
Thanks for trying to explain it to Cha Jan 2018 #24
More and more editorials scioriating the Dems. Sick of it Roland99 Jan 2018 #29

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
3. And yet somehow Repugs manage to ram their shit through
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:39 PM
Jan 2018

Or block Dem legislation/policy even when they aren’t in the majority. Dems caved. They made a big show and then got nothing for their efforts. And no, an empty promise to bring a DACA vote to the Senate floor down the road isn’t worth shit.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
5. We got policy through up until the hold their fee to the fire crowd helped us lose the house.
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:58 PM
Jan 2018

There is a 60 vote threshold in the Senate which years ago was invoked infrequently but that has changed. It has helped us this last year. All they got through was a tax cut in reconciliation...and they have all the power. I would say that is pretty damn good.

0rganism

(23,957 posts)
19. so a 6-year CHIP extension is nothing? separating CHIP from DACA is nothing?
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 04:55 PM
Jan 2018

i'm not sure how you're calculating "nothing" here.

Bradshaw3

(7,522 posts)
26. And your option would have been?
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 08:04 PM
Jan 2018

Keep the government shut down indefinitely? Piss off independent voters and turn them back to the repubs?

Response to TDale313 (Reply #3)

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
4. The Mommy Party always does the right thing.
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:43 PM
Jan 2018

Whereas the Daddy Party would kill all the kids just to show Mommy what's what.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
7. We are like the True Mother in the Solomon story...where the fake mother was fine with slicing the
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 03:00 PM
Jan 2018

kid in half...the GOP doesn't give two shits about this country or anyone in it.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
8. Bingo! And we can force the DACA issue in 3 weeks if need be.
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 03:09 PM
Jan 2018

Last I read, an injunction is place to maintain DACA status. Is that not still the case?

Raven123

(4,849 posts)
10. Both parties will try to use this situation with an eye on November elections.
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 03:36 PM
Jan 2018

However, it is simply impractical not to fund the government. Try to get what you can, and keep the relevant issues front and center. Dems need to make crystal clear how they will govern if they can retake the majority in Nov., and what is lost by allowing the GOP to continue. It's a long time till Election Day.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
11. I agree
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 04:25 PM
Jan 2018

and am wholeheartedly in favor of helping the Dreamers. However, the solution is to win back control of Congress.

The country is blue. pukes "win" only through cheating. We need to make sure via massive turnout that the voting results reflect the will of the people.

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
14. i agree...we did a hell of a job getting this in the spotlight...
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 04:32 PM
Jan 2018

....our sheer numbers are our power and we need to use it!

DownriverDem

(6,229 posts)
16. Makes you wonder
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 04:51 PM
Jan 2018

Who are these negative left leaners? They sure don't know how it all works. Maybe they are bots.

Bradshaw3

(7,522 posts)
27. I often wonder at the posters on here who don't seem to know how it works
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 08:07 PM
Jan 2018

I don't know that they are all left leaning but several times in my short time here I've come across people who don't seem to understand how the electoral system works and how our legislative process works.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
18. If that were true...why did the government shutdown happen?
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 04:54 PM
Jan 2018

Oh right! Because we do have weight to throw around. What did we do with it? Get nothing but empty words from an untrustworthy turtle man.

Don’t try to bring up CHIP. That was never NOT going to be funded so we got nothing.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
20. they have no control because we give 1200 coordinated radio stations a free speech free ride
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 05:11 PM
Jan 2018

and they're going to be able to blame dems once again, using the same exact media tool they used the last times since '87

so they create the immigration problem to sell voter suppression, create the idiot wall that is actually a bargaining chip , yell for a shutdown, and then get to blame democrats because democrats ignore talk radio.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
22. How do "we" do that?
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 06:24 PM
Jan 2018

Why is that our fault? We have to fight back somehow, but unless we buy up all the stations, they are going to keep doing that.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
23. here are a 7 things people can do:
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 07:56 PM
Jan 2018

it's mom and pop vs wall mart - it's a Rw talking point that it's about competition - as if they ever allowed it....

to start, dems and media and political scientists need to be encouraged to poll trump support for talk radio. too much analysis ignores the fact that this is actually the talk radio president and most of putin’s trolling piggybacked it. i’ll bet it shows the closest association outside of ‘white’, and that will help establish it as a major factor.

monitor it —  should be easier now to automate recording and transcribing the main rw talkers so people can search and monitor it without listening to it. knowing about it before  it becomes reality means not always having to play catch up. and most of those new dem candidates are going to get swiftboated by their local rw blowhards and they and their supporters will have no clue.

credit it —  trump needs a RUSH tattoo on his forehead, as do all republican pols and media hacks. they all ride the talk radio bandwagon and feed from the daily prechewed smorgasbord of talking points and excuses. dems in media could accurately preface answers to republican media hacks and politicians with “that’s what limbaugh says but...”

investigate it —  how long has putin been using it? did they find a way to feed limbaugh and coordinate with him and others? are any of them being paid  freelance money? exposing the talk radio gods as tools, especially russian tools, would help. Trump guy Sam Nunberg analyzed 1000s of hrs of RW radio & reported to Trump in 2014. to coordinate with Russian ops?

‘thank’ all local businesses that advertise on RW radio stations —  thank them for trump, trumpcare, global warming, privatization of public education, voter suppression, deregulation, tax breaks for billionaires, etc. it’s easy and fun to listen to a few minutes here and there and get a few  email addresses for thank-you notes that can get to the boss/owners.

protest it —   include the radio stations in any progressive protests —  they may  be better places to protest than capitols —  politicians and media will notice.

and to combine a few of those, push the 88 universities that endorse 257 limbaugh stations to stop crapping on their mission statements and start  looking for apolitical alternatives to broadcast sports on —  maybe their political science faculties and students can start studying the most dominant political factor in the US the last 30 years. people need to wonder why the unis should drop rw radio. it will start a discussion, gop will freak out, media will notice, and advertisers will flee.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
29. More and more editorials scioriating the Dems. Sick of it
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:55 PM
Jan 2018

We are dealing with morally bankrupt bullies.

We got CHIP back! That was a win! It’s thru 2024 and we DAMN well better have the WH or at least control Congress by then.

We are seeing more wins with states fighting gerrymandering. We could gain 4-5 seats in PA THIS YEAR!

We are primed. The public is largely behind us.

But this constant pissing down on the Dems will be our undoing!

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