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pbmus

(12,422 posts)
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:44 PM Jan 2018

Left says Dems caved on shutdown


Progressives are hammering Sen. Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) for his agreement with Senate Republican leadership to end the government shutdown on Monday.

Even House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has spoken out against the deal, saying there was no reason to support it.

“I don’t see that there’s any reason — I’m speaking personally and hearing from my members — to support what was put forth,” Pelosi said at a press briefing shortly before Schumer signaled Senate Democrats would agree to it.

http://thehill.com/latino/370119-left-says-dems-caved-on-shutdown
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Left says Dems caved on shutdown (Original Post) pbmus Jan 2018 OP
And I agree. femmocrat Jan 2018 #1
The left is wrong...but what can we do? Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #2
Raise the white flag atreides1 Jan 2018 #3
I see no other option. This takes CHIP off the table...did you see the Chip vs DACA ads? Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #9
Yes...agreed. A few more days of this and the tide may of turned against us..so that's fine...we'll Kirk Lover Jan 2018 #18
I like Pelosi but that is not helpful Phoenix61 Jan 2018 #4
They wanted their weapon zipplewrath Jan 2018 #8
That is bullshit. A DACA deal would be awesome for Democrats...but the GOP base doesn't want it... Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #11
Not sure unfair zipplewrath Jan 2018 #15
They did cave on shutdown. member12 Jan 2018 #5
Purity hurts shenmue Jan 2018 #6
They got the best deal they could...end of story. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #12
I agree rusty fender Jan 2018 #20
They got CHIP funded for 6 years leftynyc Jan 2018 #17
Let me fix the headline. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #7
If they protected CHIP, then I'd call it a qualified victory Orrex Jan 2018 #10
This is what I think. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #14
What "progressives?" The ones at JPR? MineralMan Jan 2018 #13
Pelosi zipplewrath Jan 2018 #16
No, the article doesn't refer to her as part of the "Left." MineralMan Jan 2018 #19

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
1. And I agree.
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:46 PM
Jan 2018

I don't trust Mitch and think he will not follow through on DACA. He is one shifty old SOB.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
9. I see no other option. This takes CHIP off the table...did you see the Chip vs DACA ads?
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 03:04 PM
Jan 2018

And we have another go in three weeks.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
18. Yes...agreed. A few more days of this and the tide may of turned against us..so that's fine...we'll
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 03:14 PM
Jan 2018

have another showdown in 3 weeks time.

Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
4. I like Pelosi but that is not helpful
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:59 PM
Jan 2018

We got CHIP funded and we have McTurtle on record promising to bring a DACA bill to the floor. If Feb 8th comes and goes and McTurtle was lying, we can do it again. Meanwhile, 1,000's of families with medically fragile children can get a good nights sleep. We did that! Now we need to frame the message and get it out there. Allowing dreamers a path to citizenship has huge popular support. The repubs don't have anything to hold over our heads, like they were doing with CHIP funding, to keep us from fighting hard for dreamers.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
8. They wanted their weapon
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 03:04 PM
Jan 2018

It's a line from a Dustin Hoffman movie (Outbreak). I think Schumer likes having DACA as a weapon against the GOP, especially in the fall elections. He's willing to fight over and over and let Trump and the GOP be the obstacle. The agreement he has now prevents us from insisting that DACA be PASSED AND SIGNED in order to get the CR. McConnell and the senate can debate, and even pass something, and Trump and the House can ignore it. But Mitch kept his promise.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
11. That is bullshit. A DACA deal would be awesome for Democrats...but the GOP base doesn't want it...
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 03:05 PM
Jan 2018

thus the GOP isn't going to do it. you are being unfair to Schumer.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
15. Not sure unfair
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 03:10 PM
Jan 2018

It's not that I don't think he'd mind getting it passed, but he also has little motivation to drag out the shutdown too long. Truth is, besides February, in March as the deadline is approaching, the GOP won't be able to ignore it again. It will be the talk of the town. I'm not sure quite honestly that Schumer's approach is all that flawed. He may never have gotten a DACA bill that he wanted to pass, and at some point the GOP could have easily painted him as intransigent because they'd pass some DACA thing and he'd still not accept it.

 

member12

(81 posts)
5. They did cave on shutdown.
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:59 PM
Jan 2018

Hard to paint this in any other way. Maybe they are seeing a longer game, but they definitely folded today.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
20. I agree
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 03:27 PM
Jan 2018

We don't have many options at this point. We got CHIP funded. We won this battle. We live today to fight the next battle. It's a war, one battle at a time

Orrex

(63,215 posts)
10. If they protected CHIP, then I'd call it a qualified victory
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 03:04 PM
Jan 2018

They had no bargaining power and still managed to protect an essential and life-saving program.

I would have preferred that DACA be protected as well, but if they'd fought for DACA first they'd have run face-first into the brick wall of GOP racism, and they'd have lost both programs.

If CHIP is secured, then now is the time to begin the DACA fight afresh.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
13. What "progressives?" The ones at JPR?
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 03:06 PM
Jan 2018

The ones that cost Hillary the election? Those "progressives?"

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
16. Pelosi
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 03:12 PM
Jan 2018

I think the reference was more to people like Pelosi that think this is a bad deal.
Aren't we supposed to be done arguing the last election?

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
19. No, the article doesn't refer to her as part of the "Left."
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 03:15 PM
Jan 2018

And, no. We can still discuss the last election. It's the primary we're not supposed to discuss.

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