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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTPM "It's Morally Reprehensible: Liberals Livid With Senate Dems Over Shutdown Deal"
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/its-morally-reprehensible-liberals-livid-with-senate-dems-over-shutdown-dealProgressives and immigrant advocates are furious at Senate Democrats for agreeing to end a short-lived shutdown without any guarantee that theyll win protections for undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as youngsters, seeing it as a full-scale capitulation by the party.
The majority of Senate Democrats voted Monday for a bill to fund the government through Feb. 8, less than three days after standing together to force a short-lived government shutdown. In doing so, they managed only to secure a promise from Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) that hed allow them to bring the DREAM Act to the floor for a vote if no deal is reached before then.
The deal infuriated the left-wing groups and immigration advocates who had cheered their Friday stand with many warning of recriminations, the first major schism on the left since President Trumps election.
Its morally reprehensible and political malpractice. Its [Senate Minority Leader Chuck] Schumers job to keep his caucus together and stand up for progressive values and he failed on both fronts, Ezra Levin, a leader of the Indivisible Project, told TPM shortly after the vote. Were going to be holding the Democrats accountable who caved.
Others were just as mad.
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Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Next!
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Vinca
(50,278 posts)This is what happens when Democrats pout because their chosen candidate isn't the nominee and stay home from the polls. If you want a filibuster-proof majority, everyone has to support the same person and everyone has to vote. I think I'm about as far left as you can get and I don't see how Schumer could have done much better than a promise for a vote on DACA.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Reality flies pass them faster than your (or my) first orgasm.
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)Reprehensible. Unforgivable.
And then Democrats wonder why some voters would rather stay home than vote for the easy-queasy Democrats now in Congress.
For shame!
Vinca
(50,278 posts)If you don't vote for the Dem you may not like, a Republican gets elected and then you complain because the issue doesn't go your way, but then the Dem runs again and you're still mad and you stay home and don't vote and the Republican is elected and the issue doesn't go your way again . . . and on and on and on. Without the numbers we're impotent. Keeping the government in shutdown would have gotten us nowhere because we don't have the numbers.
Mike Nelson
(9,959 posts)...they could get. I predict Mitch McCon and The Donald will end up favoring no deal. Their survival is based on getting rid of people who would overwhelmingly become Democrats.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Hard to tell what's really going on.
dlk
(11,569 posts)Without a veto-proof majority, Dems can't pass a bill, DACA or otherwise. Given current circumstances, Dems have won a concession, albeit a small one, from Republicans. This is about as good as it gets until Dems have a majority. Throwing tantrums over not getting their way is short-sighted and counter-productive. It would be helpful if more people truly understood what negotiations entail and how our government actually works.
shanny
(6,709 posts)It would be helpful if more people truly understood how our government actually works.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)...now we will see who all the welchers are.....We are giving the WH one more chance
meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)Being on the receiving end of a govt shutdown, I don't like when republicans or democrats use federal employees as their hostage to get their agenda items. It's bullshit. The govt funding should be a stand alone issue and not used as extortion by any party to get something. They should just do their jobs of writing and passing legislation without having to threaten people's livelihoods every few months
And retroactive pay is never a guarantee and with the republicans in control? I was seriously worried that if the govt stayed shut down, they might just say, "no work, no pay" even if it was out of the employee's control.
appalachiablue
(41,145 posts)no exceptions. As a city and federal worker I've been close and saw the harm, often long lasting.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)as others have said, this is the best we can get unless we can get more influence in Congress.
Trump started this by calling an end to DACA, knowing that would set everyone off. Then he refused to do anything to stop the ruckus.
Nanjeanne
(4,961 posts)Including some that appear to be thinking about 2020 like Booker and Harris.
Perhaps is about moral courage and the 2000 Dreamers who will lose status between now and Feb 8.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)I'm so done with them.
demmiblue
(36,865 posts)I can understand his point of view.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)CousinIT
(9,247 posts)Who wrote this crap?
BoneyardDem
(1,202 posts)Some of us think the deal is still in progress and we'll see how it pans out in 17 days.