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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSlate - "Why Democrats Caved... Its what you do when you've lost."
(don't shoot the messenger - I am posting pieces from good sources that are discussing what happened today - my posting doesn't mean I agree with them).
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/01/democrats-caved-on-the-government-shutdown.html
by Jim Newell
Shortly after voting to end a government shutdown on Monday afternoon, a group of a 10 or so centrist Senate Democrats, along with a handful of Republicans, gave a press conference outside the chamber to congratulate themselves on the extraordinary bipartisan achievement of funding the government at current spending levels for another 17 days. This informal common sense caucusor as Indiana Democratic Sen. Joe Donnelly called it, the potato chips and oranges caucushad been meeting in Maine Sen. Susan Collins office over the weekend to negotiate the handshake arrangement that will reopen the government.
The group included several Democrats who had voted to filibuster the previous spending bill on Friday, like Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine, Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Delaware Sen. Chris Coons, Florida Sen. Bill Nelson, and New Hampshire Sens. Maggie Hassan and Jeanne Shaheen. They congratulated each other for what theyd secured: a commitment from the majority leader to debate immigration through regular order after Feb. 8 if no deal is struck beforehand.
That process could produce a bipartisan bill, such as the Gang of Six legislation, that Majority Leader Mitch McConnell had not previously agreed to allow on the floor.
Looking at the smiles and backslapping among these Democrats, one couldnt help but wonder: Do they have the faintest idea how pissed off the Democratic base is?
Democrats were not able to secure an immigration deal through the three-day shutdown, only a commitment to a future process that could produce such legislation. They also were not able to secure any commitment that House Republicans would take up the fruits of their labor. And yet cloture was invoked easily, 81 to 18, with only 16 of 49 Democrats voting nay.
The rage from activists was swift and unsparing.
snip - more to read at the link above
Faux pas
(14,681 posts)they tried SOMETHING!
bigtree
(85,998 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:48 PM - Edit history (1)
...calling the fight a 'losing tactical decision.'
This is someone looking to put a wedge between Democrats.
haele
(12,660 posts)Actually, on second thought football thinking does work here. The GOP wants it to be a Football Game because they can't win unless they've turned their "base" into unthinking, inconsiderate spectators, and they're doing their best to ensure that Politics has nothing to do with Governance and the wellbeing of the country, but with whomever gets more points, therefore...
In a football game, a good coach needs to implement a variety of tactics that can be used across several strategies to get to his/her goal - that one team has more points than the other team at the end of the game. The coach has to not only consider the strengths and weaknesses of his/her players and staff, but the players of the other team and the intelligence of the coaching staff across the field. The coach also has to consider the environment - is the noise of the stadium distracting or intimidating to the refs and the players, are they on home turf, or are they fighting against the home team advantage, are the Refs (the media) capable or are they on the field just to be out in the middle of the game and don't really care about calling the game unless a foul is obvious.
If the Refs are chicken-shit and the opposition has keeping you from gaining yards on a particular drive, it is actually often better to punt than throw a hail Mary or try a run on 4th down if you think you can get better field position - especially when they've only got a one-play offence and have a weak offensive line.
Look at it this way - we're punting, but we've a better defensive backfield than they do an offensive line. And their QB waffles. We just have to ensure the Refs - and all the other loudmouthed "Nattering Nabobs of Nationalistic Negativity" can't really call us on anything.
Haele
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)No one could really say the truth about why Democrats accepted this offer from McConnell: that it was the best they were going to get.
This shutdown was always going to be decided by the blame game, as annoying as that is to say. As each side made their arguments in recent days, Republicans had the more straightforward oneDemocrats were responsible for the shutdown because they filibustered a funding bill in order to secure something else. A DACA fix is popular; shutting down the government over one is much less so, especially in many of the states Senate Democrats are trying to hold in November. The polling was beginning to gravitate in Republicans favor.
There is no compelling evidence that rejecting McConnells offer would have resulted in a better outcome for Democrats. Polling would have drifted further to Republicans side, and McConnell would have waited patiently to accept Schumers unconditional surrender. It is surprising that McConnell even offered a handshake agreement, and may have only done so to bring Flake and South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham back on the team. Democrats chose to save face by accepting a less-than-ironclad commitment because that is what you do when youve made a losing tactical decision.
Note -- I know OP was limited to quotes and was not intentionally trying to obscure another side of the story.