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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts) Mon Jan 22, 2018, 07:34 PM Jan 2018

An interesting point was made on MSNBC just now -

They were talking about how Miller and Kelly seem to have taken over the DACA debate and influenced Trump to oppose any relief for DACA people. Stephanie Ruhl pointed out that there was no way Trump (and the GOP hardliners) would ever agree to DACA relief as long as Kelly and Miller had Trump's ear, and then the panel speculated that maybe Lindsey Graham deliberately was accusing those two of controlling the debate, which would piss Trump off because he likes to think he alone is in control of everything - so is Graham trying to sabotage Kelly and Miller? Interesting.

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An interesting point was made on MSNBC just now - (Original Post) The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 OP

Another reason why NOTHING was gonna happen on DACA at the moment and the Schumer play Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #1

It Will Be Different In 17 Days, How? nt SoCalMusicLover Jan 2018 #2

Maybe Trump will have fired Kelly. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #5

... Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #6

They Were Going To Give In On CHIP Eventually SoCalMusicLover Jan 2018 #11

You make statements you dont know are true and continue NOT to suggest what TO do. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #12

That's exactly what I thought MontanaMama Jan 2018 #3

Miller is an bdamomma Jan 2018 #4

Nice gratuitous Jan 2018 #7

Such is politics, unfortunately. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #8

Remember when US was trying to figure out what was happening in the .Kremlin? bobbieinok Jan 2018 #9

Noted and concur leanforward Jan 2018 #10

the fact that playing games with the so-called president of the United States is deemed essential Skittles Jan 2018 #13

Yes, it's ridiculous. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #14

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)

1. Another reason why NOTHING was gonna happen on DACA at the moment and the Schumer play

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 07:36 PM

Jan 2018

was brilliant.

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)

2. It Will Be Different In 17 Days, How? nt

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 07:45 PM

Jan 2018

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)

5. Maybe Trump will have fired Kelly.

Reply to SoCalMusicLover (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 07:47 PM

Jan 2018

Looks like he might be fixing to do that.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)

6. ...

Reply to SoCalMusicLover (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 07:48 PM

Jan 2018

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210132510

And, is CHIP nothing? So easily overlooked?

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)

11. They Were Going To Give In On CHIP Eventually

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 08:07 PM

Jan 2018

They did not have a leg to stand on. If anything, the Democrats helped them get that issue off the table.

They have no intention of letting DACA go quite so easily, and will go to the mat on it again if need be.

I'd like to know exactly why the repubs are going to be more amenable in 17 days, to do something they could do today if they wanted?

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)

12. You make statements you dont know are true and continue NOT to suggest what TO do.

Reply to SoCalMusicLover (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 08:08 PM

Jan 2018

You are guessing like all of us, but YOU have to have an alternative, what is it?

I dont have to have an alternative, however. But like others are asking, what is yours?

Do you at least acknowledge the GOP and their supporters dont CARE about the federal gvt being open or closed?

MontanaMama

(23,322 posts)

3. That's exactly what I thought

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 07:46 PM

Jan 2018

when I saw Graham's comments...IMO he was chumming the waters in order to piss off the Dotard sending him the message that the secret is out...we all know that he doesn't know what the hell he is doing.

bdamomma

(63,875 posts)

4. Miller is an

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 07:47 PM

Jan 2018

a$$ so is Kelly. Get rid of these people. Damn.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)

7. Nice

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 07:52 PM

Jan 2018

So, if I'm ever in a life-threatening situation, and Lindsay Graham is the only person in a position to save me, it's comforting to know that he'll do his level best to make a four-rail billiards shot to try to help out, instead of doing something a little more direct.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)

8. Such is politics, unfortunately.

Reply to gratuitous (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 07:53 PM

Jan 2018

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)

9. Remember when US was trying to figure out what was happening in the .Kremlin?

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 07:53 PM

Jan 2018

1 joke was it recalled stories of practice of reading entrails in ancient Rome to get information.

leanforward

(1,076 posts)

10. Noted and concur

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 08:03 PM

Jan 2018

Here of late, I had written off Senator Graham. My opinion is changing. The Senator appears like he is trying to bring together a bipartisan coalition'. Judging from the vote count, will the house accede to the Senate version. I'm curious about the details concerning CHIP, especially the health care facilities.

Is he trying to take Immigrant/Immigration issues out of the 2018 elections?

Personally, I don't think ANY child brought here recently or long ago should be a candidate of deportation. They should have been granted full citizenship when they turned 16 or 18.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)

13. the fact that playing games with the so-called president of the United States is deemed essential

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Original post)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 09:45 PM

Jan 2018

is just plain pathetic

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)

14. Yes, it's ridiculous.

Reply to Skittles (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 22, 2018, 09:52 PM

Jan 2018

They feel they have to manipulate Trump by threatening his ego in order to get him to do what they want. It's insane that we have a president whose conduct and decisions as president are controlled by his psychological needs.

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