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NRaleighLiberal

(60,023 posts) Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:25 AM Jan 2018

TPM - "Stop Whining, Move Forward" (a very good analysis, recommended read)

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/stop-whining-move-forward

by Josh Marshall

It’s amazing how quickly conventional wisdom can congeal. It’s even more amazing when it plays to Democrats’ habit of garment-rending and self-flagellation. This morning I read this in the lede of The Washington Post‘s Daily 202.

Seven takeaways from the failed Democratic government shutdown: The Resistance will struggle when it tries to replicate the tactics of the tea party movement. The left learned with its failed shutdown gambit that it cannot beat President Trump by copying the same playbook that the right used against Bill Clinton and Barack Obama.

Good Lord, people.

A number of author James Hohmann’s takeaways have merit. The fact that Democrats believe in government and have constituencies who depend on it, both as federal employees and beneficiaries, makes the dynamics of the shutdown waiting game inherently different and more difficult for Democrats. This is certainly a disappointment. Democrats have essentially agreed to punt and come back to the same challenge in three weeks. Democratic self-flagellation gives President Trump an opening for bragging and chortling. None of that is fun.

snip - read more at the link

very important end paragraph

What to think about all this? Think that Democrats are fighting for key policy priorities with virtually no power. That’s not easy. It won’t be accomplished in a day. That’s an honorable position not a shameful one.

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TPM - "Stop Whining, Move Forward" (a very good analysis, recommended read) (Original Post) NRaleighLiberal Jan 2018 OP

K&R highplainsdem Jan 2018 #1

The Spin Against Democrats Continues dlk Jan 2018 #2

CHIPing away at all the ugliness. Patience! I know, it is the internet age, but... Fred Sanders Jan 2018 #3

Should we have done it at all zipplewrath Jan 2018 #4

It is exactly what I think. Only very foolish people would blame Democrats for something Trump Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #5

CHIP is off the table now and for the next 6 years DeminPennswoods Jan 2018 #6

highplainsdem

(49,042 posts)

1. K&R

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Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:31 AM

Jan 2018

dlk

(11,578 posts)

2. The Spin Against Democrats Continues

Reply to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:32 AM

Jan 2018

It makes one wonder what is the true agenda of the MSM?

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)

3. CHIPing away at all the ugliness. Patience! I know, it is the internet age, but...

Reply to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:33 AM

Jan 2018

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)

4. Should we have done it at all

Reply to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:34 AM

Jan 2018

Quite honestly I was surprised we tried at all. I never saw the "exit strategy". I presumed Schumer had a plan for cornering the GOP. But I was fairly sure it'd take more than a weekend. The government was hardly shutdown at all. If we're not ready for the "long haul", I'm not sure I see the point at all.

Demsrule86

(68,702 posts)

5. It is exactly what I think. Only very foolish people would blame Democrats for something Trump

Reply to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:39 AM

Jan 2018

initiated and the GOP dominate Congress refused to take up. The Dems did what they could...guess those whining the most and I recognized some of them on twitter should have considered the parties are not the same...and you can't expect the Dems to bail you out when you kneecap them in the 2016 election. Lesson learned ...vote Democratic always in the General...period.

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)

6. CHIP is off the table now and for the next 6 years

Reply to NRaleighLiberal (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:46 AM

Jan 2018

Senate Dems can now openly debate DACA and other immigration policies freely and openly. At a minimum a bill to protect the Dreamers will pass the senate owing to support from Flake and Graham among other Rs. That bill will move to the House. Ryan has said publically that he supports DACA. Now he will have to put up or shut up. There are plenty enough Dem votes along with Rs who represent Latino heavy districts to pass the bill the Senate sends over. If the GOP kills immigration reform/DACA, everyone will know who fired the shot.

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