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superpatriotman

(6,249 posts)
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:25 PM Jul 2012

Assault Rifles ARE Weapons of Mass Destruction

They exist only to quickly and effectively kill humans.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/24/assault-weapons_n_1696025.html

"We lose 11,000 people a year from weapons. We lose practically zero a year from terrorist attacks," Charles Perrow, a Yale University sociology professor emeritus said.


Tell your Representative to stand up to "Big Guns" and reinstate the common sense ban on assault weapons.


Mass shooting in the U.S. since 2005 (please share):
http://www.bradycampaign.org/xshare/pdf/major-shootings.pdf

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Assault Rifles ARE Weapons of Mass Destruction (Original Post) superpatriotman Jul 2012 OP
Du rec. Nt xchrom Jul 2012 #1
In that case, Marinedem Jul 2012 #2
Have you noticed the number of new DU posters who want to revive the 1994 gun issue? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #6
it's a DEATH issue spanone Jul 2012 #24
During the 1994 election when the political advocacy for "gun control" was at its height, the AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #3
WMDs? Damn, that's some scary crap right there kctim Jul 2012 #4
Maybe the TSA should go door to door... gregoire Jul 2012 #5
Your suggestion isn't too far off from what some mayors are now planning, but using cops not TSAs. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #8
Good to see something is finally being done gregoire Jul 2012 #13
When new DU posters respond with conventional posts, other DUers often welcome them. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #16
Did you research all of that in real time or do ya have a file? snooper2 Jul 2012 #19
I'm sorry that you're a Stephen Baldwin fan... gregoire Jul 2012 #32
You do know that this is Democratic Underground? permatex Jul 2012 #28
A) "Assault Rifles" are extremely tightly regulated along with other Title II weapons. OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #7
You know, ... Igel Jul 2012 #18
No, they are not. cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #10
Okay, so Iraq had tons of WMD. Happy now? cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #11
You cheapen the phrase, they most certainly are not weapons of mass destruction 1-Old-Man Jul 2012 #12
"We lose 11,000 people a year from weapons." EX500rider Jul 2012 #14
Which is about 1/10th of what one real (small) weapon of mass destruction did to Nagasaki 1-Old-Man Jul 2012 #15
They're WMDs. Igel Jul 2012 #20
I hate it when my fellow academicians spout nonsense ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #17
358 homicides in 2010 done with rifles. justanidea Jul 2012 #21
More than 9,000 gun-related homicides in the US in the most recent statistics Art_from_Ark Jul 2012 #23
Ok? justanidea Jul 2012 #25
And there aren't ANY homicides with assault weapons in Japan Art_from_Ark Jul 2012 #31
What are bombs made of household products? pipoman Jul 2012 #22
Yes, they could be, thankfully they are VERY heavily regulated and VERY expensive. rl6214 Jul 2012 #26
Bullshit. krispos42 Jul 2012 #27
+1000 gopiscrap Jul 2012 #29
Easy access and lax laws have definitely benefitted home-grown terrorists. Hoyt Jul 2012 #30
Then apparently, so are knives. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #33
Well sure, military-style knives are dangerous 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #35
Assault rifles ARE effectively banned 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #34
We should adopt the same laws they have in Chicago or D.C, hughee99 Jul 2012 #36
 

Marinedem

(373 posts)
2. In that case,
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:35 PM
Jul 2012

I guess I should keep a close watch on mine.

Come to think of it, I came home the other day and made a terrifying discovery. My assault rifle had loaded itself and was crawling out the door in the direction of the local playground. That thing just ain't right, I tell ya.....

I guess all those trips to the range to practice 100 yard target shooting taught him nothing. I have failed as a gun owner. Then again, maybe it's not his fault. He only exists to kill quickly and effectively, after all.

My "assault rifles" contribute as much to gun crime as my dick contributes to rape. Spare me.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
3. During the 1994 election when the political advocacy for "gun control" was at its height, the
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:38 PM
Jul 2012

Democraticly controlled House (which had been controlled for 40 years) shifted to the Republicans.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1012837

The 1994 election also resulted in Bush II beating Ann Richards so that he became the Texas governor as a step towards the presidency.

OK, superpatriotman, why do you want to resurrect this 1994 issue?

Do you think that it is a winning issue for Democratic candididates? And do you think that it is not a wedge issue to separate some DU posters from gun-owning Democratic DU posters, other gun-owning Democrats, and gun-owning independents?

If you wanted to find a better wedge issue to help Republican candidates, what would it be?

 

gregoire

(192 posts)
5. Maybe the TSA should go door to door...
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:41 PM
Jul 2012

to protect safety rather than standing around ineffectively in airports.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
8. Your suggestion isn't too far off from what some mayors are now planning, but using cops not TSAs.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:51 PM
Jul 2012

As a result of the Colorado massacre, some cities are planning to expand upon NY's stop-and-frisk activities by directing police to stop-and-grope people without any reasonable basis for suspecting that they have engaged in wrongful activities.

Colorado Massacre to Justify Upcoming Stop-and-Frisk Practice in San Francisco (Plus Other Cities)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1010444

There is an upward trend and according to the New York Civil Liberties Union with respect to New York alone,

An analysis by the NYCLU revealed that innocent New Yorkers have been subjected to police stops and street interrogations more than 4 million times since 2002
http://www.nyclu.org/issues/racial-justice/stop-and-frisk-practices

 

gregoire

(192 posts)
13. Good to see something is finally being done
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 05:27 PM
Jul 2012

After all, the right to safety is probably our most important right of all.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
16. When new DU posters respond with conventional posts, other DUers often welcome them.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 05:52 PM
Jul 2012

Aren't you the same relatively recent poster who claimed that with respect to the rifle used in the Colorado shooting:

It was a machine gun...with a few small changes.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=983279


Aren't you the one who claimed that Reagan banned machine guns and
The Smith & Wesson (which seems to the choice of murderers everywhere) machine gun should not have been allowed to have been sold.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=982328


Aren't you the one who, in response to an OP involving a lawsuit between Stephen Baldwin and Keven Costner, posted a fact-deficient anti-Costner statement:
his invisible man in the sky speeches are pure insanity...but I'm trying to keep the fact that he is stupid, racist, and an xtian from biasing my opinion on the business deal where Costner lied.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1014&pid=144060


And in response to an OP dealing with How Outsourced Call Centers Are Costing Millions In Identity Theft, aren't you the one who sought to stir up shit by falsely accusing the OP of being a racist:
Sounds more like the author doesn't like Filipinos. You always hear racists ranting about call centers outside of the US because they don't like the people that have jobs because of them.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=985069


You're showing a pattern. You're posting fact-free irrational posts just to provoke reactions. That's called trolling. It won't be long and others will catch on to your game as well. Bye.
 

gregoire

(192 posts)
32. I'm sorry that you're a Stephen Baldwin fan...
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 12:59 PM
Jul 2012

and objected to my calling him stupid.

Also, what in the hell could you find wrong with my reply about the Reagan gun ban? I remember the ban very well. Maybe you weren't old enough to remember it.

 

permatex

(1,299 posts)
28. You do know that this is Democratic Underground?
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 01:36 AM
Jul 2012

You know, where we respect civil rights? Freeperville is down the hall and to the right, I think you'll be more comfortable there.

 

OneTenthofOnePercent

(6,268 posts)
7. A) "Assault Rifles" are extremely tightly regulated along with other Title II weapons.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:44 PM
Jul 2012

I'm pretty sure you/they meant "Assault Weapons". There are explicit legislative terminologies dealing with each, and an Assault Rifle is categorically NOT an Assault Weapon.

B) Acording to the DOJ, long guns (like Assault Rifles, AR15, AK, Shotguns, etc...) contribute less than 25% to the total gun homicides. Handguns (not "Assault Rifles&quot account for most homicides. In fact, non-firearm weapons account for MORE homicide than long-guns.

Source: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/tables/weaponstab.cfm

Igel

(35,320 posts)
18. You know, ...
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 12:45 AM
Jul 2012

I'm still sort of fighting the "assault rifles have a selective fire setting," but even Gallup asked an assult weapon question and called them "assault rifles."

I was a translator. At one point on a discussion board a newbie asked if "The soldier kicked open the door and lurched into the room, firing a spray of rounds from his assault weapon" was right.

"?" was the response. "Give us the Russian original." Mere stylistic badness aside, we finally got him to not say "spray of rounds," what his question was. We couldn't just get him to say "spraying the room with his ..." whatever.

The biggie was that "whatever," in Russian "avtomat", which looks like "automatic" because it means "some sort of automatic machine." Vending machine, slot machine, gas pump. One push or action and the machine's busy for a while--getting you soda and change, lights and little fruits moving in a window and maybe a bunch of coins spit out at you, numbers moving as gasoline gushes into your gas tank. For a gun, it's a tommy gun, machine gun, submachine gun, assault rifle--by context, AK-47, M16, Ouzi. Pull trigger and rat-a-tat-tat-tat-tat as the mechanism chucks out a casing and grabs and positions another bullet, firing it at once. Rinse and repeat.

He insisted on "assault weapon." It was trendy, he heard the word, and wasn't it just a machine gun anyway? He found a bad-ass assault weapon picture and said it *looked* like a submachine gun. We never convinced him. At the end he had the hapless Russian soldier lurching into a room full of German troops and firing a spray of bullets from his assault weapon. Squeeze-bang, squeeze-bang, squeeze-bang. Then again, he also had an assault weapon mounted to a train, and "assault weapon nests". In his version of the novel there's no way the Russians retook Stalingrad. They probably managed a truce somewhere near Vladivostok to discuss surrender terms.

A paid professional language-wrangler got it wrong, and insisted on being wrong. What's the hope for non-professional non-language-wranglers?

Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #9)

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
12. You cheapen the phrase, they most certainly are not weapons of mass destruction
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:55 PM
Jul 2012

Nuclear arms are, incendiary bombs dropped on dense populations are, poison gasses are, hand-held firearms are not. With the A-Bomb someone pulls the trigger once and millions die, with an assult rifle you pull the trigger once and maybe you kill one person, maybe not. That is the difference between a weapon and a weapon of mass destruction.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
14. "We lose 11,000 people a year from weapons."
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 05:45 PM
Jul 2012

Yes, very carefully worded, because if should say "We lose about 350 people a year to rifles"

and about 800 to hands and feet, does that make them WMD's also?

Knives kill about 1,800 so they are about 5 times as dangerous as "assault weapons".... Knife BAN!!!

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
15. Which is about 1/10th of what one real (small) weapon of mass destruction did to Nagasaki
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 05:51 PM
Jul 2012

but you're right, ban knives, it would be about as effective as banning firearms, though it will make dinner a bit more difficult for those of us with few teeth left.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
20. They're WMDs.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 12:47 AM
Jul 2012

Some are weapons of moderate destruction.

Yet others are weapons of mild destruction or of moderate distress.

 

justanidea

(291 posts)
21. 358 homicides in 2010 done with rifles.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 12:50 AM
Jul 2012

That includes ALL types of rifles, even so called "assault weapons".

Hands and feet are used more often to kill.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
23. More than 9,000 gun-related homicides in the US in the most recent statistics
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 01:14 AM
Jul 2012

Compare that to Japan, a country of 127 million, which has 47 gun-related deaths in the most recent statistical year, mostly among yakuza gang members

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms

 

justanidea

(291 posts)
25. Ok?
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 01:16 AM
Jul 2012

But the thread is specifically about "assault weapons"

Most U.S. homicides are committed with handguns.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
27. Bullshit.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 01:22 AM
Jul 2012

Rifles (assault and otherwise) account for about 3% of homicide deaths per year.

Shotguns account for about 11%, IIRC.

Handguns for about half, and the balance is "other"; knives and clubs and feet and fists.


That means that of the 44 people murdered per day, on average, in the USA, a rifle will account for about 1 of them.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
33. Then apparently, so are knives.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 01:06 PM
Jul 2012

Knife homicides outstrip all rifle homicides* 5-to-1 in the US, per annum.


Pic related: it's a deadly WMD.

*That's ALL rifles, not just military-style semi autos (to say nothing of what are actually assault rifles: selective-fire real military weapons).

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
35. Well sure, military-style knives are dangerous
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 01:13 PM
Jul 2012

with their ergonomic grips, black finish, rapid-removal sheaths, assault serrations and perhaps even a bayonet feature.

Those were NOT the knives our founding fathers knew!

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
34. Assault rifles ARE effectively banned
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 01:12 PM
Jul 2012

by being so restricted as to be nearly impossible to acquire and the deaths due to assault rifles are practically zero.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
36. We should adopt the same laws they have in Chicago or D.C,
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 01:35 PM
Jul 2012

I understand they have somewhat restrictive gun laws, but at least it's been effective at curbing gun violence.

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