I can't say anything without question. That is what IT wants in asking for a "loyalty pledge".

just having a little conversation, wasn't referring to loyalty pledge

Ford was a shit show. Whip Inflation Now buttons? Pardoning Nixon? Definite fecal odor.

Eisenhower wasn't so bad. We got the start of the interstate freeway system and a president who warned about the military-industrial complex.

But, yes on Carter and Obama.

Maybe daddy Bush. All the rest have cheated their way in.

he lived the military-industrial complex and his career profited immensely from it and he contributed to it flourishing as president.

then, on his exit, he whines about it.

when he was president, perhaps it could have been nipped in the bud. after that, it was easily too late.

thanks for nothing, ike.

He had the sulles brothers on his admin overthrowing democracies all over the world

Also agree with Leith. Eisenhower wasn't bad for a republican. Gotta remember he wasn't a politician, he was a General. I guess you could fault him for not standing up to McCarthy until late and putting Nixon on the ticket, but overall not a shit show

...knowing the horrid abuses that lay behind even their most benevolent actions.

At least for us boomers who are entering the Social Security years.

It's not a lot, but I can imagine a lot more suffering without SS.

JFK introduced some good civil rights legislation, and LBJ used some political muscle to push it through. I'd give them credit for that, though they lose points from Vietnam.

OK - just kidding

Top Ten Most Honest U.S. Presidents (not just the past 100 years)

https://www.thetoptens.com/honest-us-presidents/