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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 04:52 PM Jan 2018

Burn It All Down: It's Time For Every Last Coward Who Enabled Larry Nassar To Pay For Their Sins

By CHARLES P. PIERCE

January 24, 2018

In 1992, I sat in a courtroom in Milwaukee in which a cannibal murderer named Jeffrey Dahmer was judged to be sane enough to be locked away in a prison for the rest of his life. One of the things we had to sit through was a recitation by one of the primary detectives on the case of Dahmer’s lengthy, handwritten confession, which was taken down immediately after his arrest and which was written in the monotoned cop-ese familiar to anyone who’s covered cops or watched an episode of Law and Order. For example, Dahmer was always “The Suspect.” The court even gave each of us a copy so we could follow along. As the detective droned on, as deadpan as the prose that he was reading, one statement caught me up short.

“The Suspect,” said the detective, “states that it takes about an hour to boil a head.”

That moment, all the more devastating for how simply it was rendered, has come to mind over and over again as Dr. Larry Nassar, who was sentenced on Wednesday to 40-175 years in prison, sat and listened to all the young women he victimized during his time as team physician for USA gymnastics and for Michigan State University. The courthouse is supposed to be the great leveler. It is supposed to be the place where all the monsters are called to final account as fairly as possible. It is supposed to be where flaming vengeance is cooled into steely justice. It is the secular equivalent of the passage from the Gospel of Luke in which Jesus tells the assembled that, “For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.”

God knows, it doesn’t always work out that way in our courthouses. The thumbs on the scales of justice weigh heaviest on the poor and the brown. But it is by god working out in the courtroom in Lansing, Michigan over which Judge Rosemarie Aquilina presides. In that courtroom, for the past few weeks, a remarkable pageant of crime and punishment, of grotesque sin and justified retribution, has been playing out. Larry Nassar’s victims have come to disclose his hidden sins. They have come to bring out into the open that which was concealed in cowardly shadow by a rogue’s gallery of coaches and bureaucrats, all of whom should be driven from polite society by howling mobs. It is not like anything I ever have seen.

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https://www.si.com/olympics/2018/01/24/larry-nassar-sentencing-usa-gymnastics-abuse-victims-michigan-state

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Burn It All Down: It's Time For Every Last Coward Who Enabled Larry Nassar To Pay For Their Sins (Original Post) n2doc Jan 2018 OP
Why do I get the nagging feeling that the entire gymnastics industry should be Baitball Blogger Jan 2018 #1
Because it should be SouthernLiberal Jan 2018 #2
But there ARE more monsters like Nasser RandomAccess Jan 2018 #20
you arent alone. mopinko Jan 2018 #3
Yes, it seems horrendous. alarimer Jan 2018 #9
USA Gymnastics and Michigan State Officials Were Enablers dlk Jan 2018 #4
Wheres the NCAA investigation of Michigan State? osaMABUSh Jan 2018 #5
NCAA Announced They Will Investigate Yesterday Stallion Jan 2018 #12
The earliest reports actually pre-date the current president. LisaM Jan 2018 #13
Here's the deal.... Dem4eva Jan 2018 #15
No, here's the deal. LisaM Jan 2018 #17
Well, MyOwnPeace Jan 2018 #6
Amen lillypaddle Jan 2018 #7
So true. I had always wondered that this sort of thing didn't happen. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #8
I'm also sure the US is not alone in this. alarimer Jan 2018 #10
+1. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #11
Read the entire Pierce piece. it is a WHOPPER !!!! pangaia Jan 2018 #14
Will they get the Penn State treatment ? rickford66 Jan 2018 #16
You mean hit with heavy sanctions by the NCAA... Dem4eva Jan 2018 #18
There was a criminal coverup. rickford66 Jan 2018 #19

SouthernLiberal

(407 posts)
2. Because it should be
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 05:17 PM
Jan 2018

and I think all sports involving children should be looked at closely. Not necessarily because I think there are more monsters like Larry Nasser, but because I am not sure that children are really capable of understanding the risks they are taking.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
20. But there ARE more monsters like Nasser
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 02:21 PM
Jan 2018

Plenty more. They're everywhere. Most of them will not have had that much access to that many young girls, but -- they're out there. Think about P.E. in schools all over the country, dance, beauty pageants, sports of all kinds, physicians and dentists, on and on and on.

mopinko

(70,127 posts)
3. you arent alone.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 05:20 PM
Jan 2018

"women's" gymnastics has always struck me as creepy. just prurient.
this animal cant be the only one.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
9. Yes, it seems horrendous.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 05:46 PM
Jan 2018

Many of these girls are separate from their families so they can train with elite coaches, which is in and of itself suspicious.

osaMABUSh

(2,195 posts)
5. Wheres the NCAA investigation of Michigan State?
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 05:25 PM
Jan 2018

Fire the President of MSU. USA Gymnastics and MSU enabled this monster

Stallion

(6,476 posts)
12. NCAA Announced They Will Investigate Yesterday
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 05:54 PM
Jan 2018

as an attorney I know there are some really undeniably good reasons why the NCAA should not get involved in criminal matters such as at Penn St, Baylor and Michigan St but they rarely satisfy those not versed in the law. We have a criminal justice system which overrides civil and administrative matters in most situations. BTW I'm a huge fan of the SMU Mustangs which was the only Division 1A Football program to be given the Death Penalty in the late 1980--but the NCAA is not going to make judgments about criminal matters-at least until all matters including appeals are completed. They stepped into that mess during the Penn St. scandal and they are backing off from that intrusion into criminal proceedings in the future.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
13. The earliest reports actually pre-date the current president.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 05:57 PM
Jan 2018

I absolutely don't think she's taking enough responsibility, but the Board of Regents is currently staffed with some ex MSU athletes and it seems to me that they're protecting the athletic department.

Yes, the buck stops with the president, but it seems that there was a culture of insensitivity and neglect in the athletic department itself (which has also rather blithely ignored some serious issues with the football program and its thuggy coach).

There was additional crossover with this doctor and the US Olympic Team, which muddies the water still further. There were a lot of people looking the other way and it also seems that there were a lot of ways for him to hide his tracks.

Anyway, I say start with the AD.

 

Dem4eva

(41 posts)
15. Here's the deal....
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 06:36 PM
Jan 2018

There is ONE ex athlete on the Board of Trustees. Former football player by the name of Mitch Lyons who called for Pres. Simon's firing a couple days ago. The main problem is the old guard led by Joel Ferguson. Been there forever and he's a big part of the problem IMO. Simon was a model President until this incident, but her handling of it has been brutal. AD Mark Hollis is the one that should go first. But they'll both go and rightfully so. Unlike Penn State, MSU will step to the plate and be accountable.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
17. No, here's the deal.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 06:57 PM
Jan 2018

Brian Breslin - former MSU basketball player

Brian Mosallam - former MSU football player

Mitch Lyons - former MSU football player

George Perles - former MSU coach and AD


Their Trustees have very close ties to the athletic department. I don't trust them to do the right thing at all.

MyOwnPeace

(16,928 posts)
6. Well,
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 05:26 PM
Jan 2018

I'm sure we'll get some outstanding leadership from the White House regarding this matter (OK, yeah, we know he's writing down names now and googling them to see pics).

This is a major crime and shame, just as is the person living in our White House.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
8. So true. I had always wondered that this sort of thing didn't happen.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 05:45 PM
Jan 2018

I assumed it didn't, or it would be shouted from the rooftops, right?

This is horrible that this pervert was ALLOWED to abuse young girls...innocent, naive, passive, raised to do what those in authority tell them on their way to Olympic medaling.

Heads should roll. A LOT of them. But they won't.

More controversial, I suspect that I would find some of the parents complicit, as well. If I had a young girl who practiced in gymnastics, where she wore skimpy, second skins and did suggestive poses and moves all day long in front of men....if I had such a girl, I would definitely have been a super-watchdog over her safety & security, and would definitely have instructed her about certain things.

I read something that gave me the impression that the parents even KNEW that this pervert was inserting his fingers INSIDE their daughter's vagina repeatedly, to "adjust" something. Seriously? I would've marched down there and had a personal visit with the dr. and everyone else in charge. Others may disagree. It is after the fact. But I know without a doubt that I would never have allowed such a thing without a second opinion and some medical printouts discussing such an "adjustment." No way.

It's so simple. You have a young girl, wearing a skin tight leotard, doing the spread eagle sometimes, right in the face of a grown man. Hello!!!! I'm not stupid. Yes, he's a coach. But he's human and male. A system of ensuring the girl's safety and privacy is called for.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
10. I'm also sure the US is not alone in this.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 05:51 PM
Jan 2018

Eastern European sports programs were all notorious once upon a time. East German swimmers were made to take hormones to improve their performance (and a big reason they were so unexpectedly dominant in the 1970s). Those women suffered for years. Now that kind of doping seems to be a thing of the past.

Coaches can have a ridiculous amount of authority. I suppose complaining about things would have resulted in them being kicked off the team. No medal is worth that kind of abuse though.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
14. Read the entire Pierce piece. it is a WHOPPER !!!!
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 05:59 PM
Jan 2018

here's a little more of it..

Burn it all down. That is the calm and reasoned conclusion to which I have come as one horror story after another unspooled in the courtroom. Nobody employed in the upper echelons at USA Gymnastics, or at the United States Olympic Committee, or at Michigan State University should still have a job. If accessorial or conspiracy charges plausibly can be lodged against those people, they should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Those people should come out of civil courts wearing barrels. Their descendants should be answering motions in the 22nd Century. In fact, I can argue convincingly that none of those three institutions should continue to exist in its current form. USA Gymnastics and the USOC should lose their non-profit status forthwith. Michigan State should lose its status within the NCAA for at least five years. American gymnastics is no longer a sport. It’s a conspiracy of pedophiles and their enablers.

Where are the other coaches in East Lansing? Where is Tom Izzo, who makes four million bucks a year to coach basketball? Where is Mark Dantonio, who makes just about as much to coach football? Larry Nassar worked for the same athletic department as they do. In a recent press conference, Izzo fumbled all over himself to the point where Aly Raisman’s mother cranked up a flamethrower on Twitter.


Aly's Mom's TWEET in response to Tom Izzo-
@LynnRaisman
Dear Tom Izzo,
I'm sorry it's been a difficult week for you. Did you hear, Larry Nassar also said it was difficult. Since you "hope the right person was convicted" I wonder if you are a complete and total MORON or just a LIAR when you claim you listened to the impact statements.


6:25 PM - Jan 20, 2018


Both Izzo and Dantonio went out of their way to support MSU president Lou Ann Simon, who probably should be transported to the apartment in Rome recently vacated by the late Bernard Cardinal Law. Nice to know that these two highly paid public employees know who the real victim is. And the school’s gymnastics coach tried to coerce her athletes into signing a card to support Nassar when the first charges began to come down. This is unfathomable to me. I believe it also would be unfathomable to Vlad the Impaler.

Is there anything about the modern Olympic Games that isn’t corrupt? The people who run them make up a claque of international bagmen, shaking down whole countries and bankrupting cities as though the entire world was their goodie bag. There are drugs and bribery, and there was Sochi, which was a monument to both of them. And now there’s this incredible crime spree that took place right under the noses of the Olympic officials. Back in the day, East Germany had its steroid-peddling doctors. The U.S.A. had Larry Nassar. Two-tie, all tie.

 

Dem4eva

(41 posts)
18. You mean hit with heavy sanctions by the NCAA...
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 07:49 PM
Jan 2018

only to have them all rescinded a short time after? Probably not, because MSU doesn't make the NCAA near as much money as PSU does. They are a cult of personality. Still are, and a scary majority of them is squarely in the late Joe Paterno's corner. He knew and they won't admit it. Hell, most of them still want to bring back his idiotic statue.

MSU students are marching on the President's home on Friday. She'll be gone by then. So will the AD. MSU isn't PSU in any way, shape or form and will prove it.

rickford66

(5,524 posts)
19. There was a criminal coverup.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 07:56 PM
Jan 2018

Many of the young ladies complained and were rebuffed. Football scholarships vs gymnastic scholarships.

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