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(25,111 posts)apologize for that e-mail fuck right before the presidential election in 2016. I'm still pissed. The USA would be in a better place right now if he had the guts.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)He flat out deserved it.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)need a special investigator, and it looks like he's still afraid that could happen with all this right wing focus on him.
We know that a series of decisions by the Director of the FBI threw the presidency and likely a bunch of other elections to the Republicans. It was looking as if Hillary and with her Democrats across the nation would win in a landslide. We were about to gain a majority in the senate, and possibly even in the house.
We need to know if Comey was acting alone, and why, and whether he was conspiring with other Americans. I find it as hard to believe he was actively conspiring with Russia as I find easy to believe that he was conspiring with the same kind of people that Scalia all too likely was.
However, Comey unquestionably knew that Putin's actions were designed to further the Republican Party's goals, and notably, those of its dark-money donors. And Comey took multiple well-documented actions that assisted them in achieving those goals.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,260 posts)Renew Deal
(81,873 posts)There are many that want either destruction or power. Both of those factions are mostly concentrated in one party.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)of the criminal mentality that sees no consequences. These people are in for themselves, they don't see beyond their bank accounts and power, they don't understand that their kids, and their kid's kids,etc. will be affected negatively by what they are doing, they live in "the now".
It is like those people who, because they voted republican, feel they are immune to all the crap republicans pass as laws, all the good Obama left behind that benefited them and this administration is destroying, well they think that it will only affect their rivals, they fail to understand that there are no rivals on "the other side of the aisle", no concept that we are better off if we all work for the same goals.
They may have affection for the country where they live in, they just simply don't understand that actions do have consequences, and those consequences will be suffered by all.
To me, of all the bad things the man-child represents and is, that is the most dangerous characteristic of the man-child, he has zero understanding of consequences, and of course his empty heart.
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)Considering he was silent about tRump but not Hillary.
sprinkleeninow
(20,260 posts)and err on the side of refraining to broadcast them again. If wrong on that, (which he was in the end), then accept repercussions.
IOW, should've done the noble thing and taken the heat that would've come down the pike.
He majorly assisted in screwing up HRC.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Don't know why so many on this board want to try to pretend he just did it on his own volition. It was the ghouls NYPD buddies who were going to leak it and Comey got out in front of them trying to protect the FBI. Maybe not the best call but it was coming out with or without Comey.
"Hillary Clinton suggested on Monday that former FBI Director James Comey may have been pressured by former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and others to reopen the bureau's investigation into her use of a private email server less than two weeks before the 2016 presidential election.
"He was under pressure from Rudy Giuliani, others both former and current FBI officials," Cliton told Charlie Rose in an interview. "Giuliani announced two days before [Oct. 28] 'something big is coming in two days.'"
The ghoul knew from his NYPD ties that they had the laptop with the emails. He was going to release it. Comey tried rightly or wrongly to get out in front of it so it did not look like the FBI was hiding information from the electorate.
May or may not have been the wrong call but with the information about to come out what choices did he have?
sprinkleeninow
(20,260 posts)email business, the chips would've 'fallen where they may'. IOW, so be it.
20/20 hindsight on my part?
I am just so steamed how the proverbial rug was pulled out from under HRC and us!
I still maintain hope that no matter how ugly depressing this whole thing was/is, it will all be rectified soon.
I pray God this is not the end of the age.
💙?💪🗽
delisen
(6,044 posts)the man who literally hid "almost" behind the blues curtains.
As Comey might say "Oh Lordy."
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,505 posts)MGKrebs
(8,138 posts)And wish you cold take it all back
Well honey I gotta tell you,
It's a little too late for that
Now you want somebody to be your buttercup,
Good luck finding your buttercup"
Lucinda Williams
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)clearly, not with vague metaphors and euphemisms.
Until then, just SHUT UP, Comey!
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)to think Comey had such an impact on the election and has never apologized for it.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)upside down. His effect was so much more dramatic than the media acknowledges, even when they admit that he changed the outcome.
And that is just based on his October Surprise. It doesn't even take into account the extraordinary effects of his July press conference.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)after the third debate, Clinton was pulling away in the polls. I think the Washington Post daily tracking poll finally had her over 50% and it was something like 51-38. Then, Comey letter released and BANG, Clinton tanked and was actually down something like 43-44 or 42-43 in just one day. it was around a 16 point swing. While she recovered and retook the lead in the coming days, it never approached that 13 point and rising total.
I honestly think that if the letter was never released, she would have continued the momentum and won by several points more than that 13 point 51-38 lead. If that happens, it likely means Senator Feingold in Wisconsin, Senator McGinty in PA and maybe one or two other seats in the senate and several more (D) seats in the House.
WestIndianArchie
(386 posts)The republicans are complicit in the attack on our country.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)We wouldn't even be here if he hadn't done what he did. Now he's acting like a cheerleader for a rational democracy.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)If he runs around from the back, maybe people will think he's leading this parade and forget all about what he did. In short-attention span America, it's not a bad bet.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)when you understand that Giuliani had the information from his NYPD sources and that they were going to release it in an attempt to make it look like the FBI was covering up for Clinton it is not confusing at all.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)So he was the victim of what I like to call a "fecal duality". Two shitty choices.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)Even Clinton herself said it.
sprinkleeninow
(20,260 posts)mum about the emails.
I ask in sincerity and not in the tone of a wise butt-smarty pants.😊
It's so hideously revolting now, how bad could that have been.
I said I would not harbor the passion of hatred towards republucres, but it's becoming very difficult.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)The ghoul got info from his NYPD pals that they had a laptop with emails from Clinton in it. Emails the FBI had yet to look through. He went on TV and said there was a bombshell coming.
If Comey had not done what he did at the time the ghoul and his cronies would have gone on the TV pushing the story as the FBI covering up for Clinton. Something that was already a narrative of theirs because of the clearing of her but Comey in the first place.
Those emails existence was coming out with or without Comey. He was stuck between facing the issue head on or allowing the Trump campaign to release the info and spinning it as the FBI running cover for Clinton.
There was no good choice here.
sprinkleeninow
(20,260 posts)they ended up doing and found they were redundant.
He "CYA'd" himself and his agency and now is wriggling to show something along the lines of 'sorry about that'.
MB I'm thick. I like how I am.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)He needed to work off of the information he had at his very disposal. He didn't do that.
He made a huge mistake. But that's okay. We all make mistakes.
When you make a huge mistake like that, you don't keep chiming in every now and then on Twitter to all of us suffering the consequences of your fuckup about how things should be. You work on making the consequences better. You broke it. You fix it.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,260 posts)Perseus
(4,341 posts)will occupy the same catalog in history's bookshelf space, the one of "Those Who Changed History for the Worst".
They did not foresee any consequences coming out from their actions, and the devastation of those actions. We have not fully recovered from the one by Powell, and depending on what happens with Muller's investigation, it could be worst, but even if Muller is able to correct things, this one has already caused so much damage that undoing it will also be quite a task.
Small actions that have cause so much suffering and damage...if people could only "THINK BEFORE THEY ACT".
askyagerz
(776 posts)1. I really dont think he thought he was going to sway the election. I think he thought Hillary had it in the bag just like the rest of the country. If she would have won this would be a non issue and the fbi could still be quietly investing trump.
2. Pretty sure he realizes he was on the wrong side of history and regrets it enough that he is trying to hop back over the fence with these tweets.
3. The man knows a lot more then we do. Might even have a grasp of the end of the story already. His tweets are not so cryptic messages and I think some of the biggest proof so far that the whole trumpilada is toast.
4. Comey is still an asshole.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)he held Hillary to a much higher standard just like all misogynists do
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)Why would he do what he did ELEVEN days before the election if it wasn't to sway the election in trumps favor?
askyagerz
(776 posts)A nothingburger but the trump stuff was real and treasonous. He figures he will let it out in the name of transparency because he knew what was coming trumps way. That way when they would have come down on Trump he can point at the Hillary thing and say see fbi doesnt play favorites. Trumps base would throw a fit if they arrested trump with Hillary president. That's why I think this was just a fumbled attempt to smooth things over for the inevitable future.
herding cats
(19,568 posts)He knew the FBI was investigating Russian interference in the election via Trumps campaign at the time, and he said not one thing about it.
He has a hand in Trumps win no matter what he wants to pretend or now portray. At best, he inadvertently acted as a Russian tool. Something anyone in his position should have been wise enough not to due, but he did it anyway. He assumed he was laying ground work to chop the future Democratic President off at the knees. He wanted her coming in as tainted as possible so they could manage her and use their own propaganda to help Republicans in 2018 and 2020.
Having said that, I welcome his voice in fighting Trump, but I know hell turn on Democrats again when Trump is in the rear view mirror. All the Never Trump Republicans will, and some are already poking their toe in that pool just one year in. I saw them trying to agitate and stir dissent over DACA in regards to Schumer. Theyre still snakes. Theyre the enemy of our enemy, but not our friends. At best theyre brief allies in a battle, but they are fighting their own internal war, but were not on the same side in the big war for how this country should be governed.
Comeys legacy is forever tainted by his overreaching stupidity, and that gives me a small amount of comfort. I admit, I enjoyed watching him try and keep his head above water in the cesspool he helped create at first. When he finally sank at the hands of Trump the way he did, it was bittersweet since he was involved in the investigations into Trump. However, I still couldnt trust him to be fully unbiased even with that, but he was all we had at the time.
I still despise his treatment of Hillary, and I smirk when I see things like this from him. He cant erase his previous actions just because they had an outcome that wasnt what he expected. He owns his actions and the damage hes helped cause.
Thats my take on Comey.
askyagerz
(776 posts)If he really wanted to hurt Hillarys presidency he would have waited until he definitely had the goods on her and hammered it with her after she was elected.
He knew this was nothing but would have became huge if Hillary had won, Trump was later arrested, Then it came out that they might of had something on Hillary right before the election but didn't let the public know and now she was the sitting president and her opponent was in jail.
Plus I seriously doubt comey just up did this on his own. I'm sure there was plenty of strategizing by some of the f.b.i.'s top people. If Trump was really bad news and they thought he was gonna lose anyway why would they risk their investigation by showing trump the cards they were holding?
sprinkleeninow
(20,260 posts)coeur_de_lion
(3,684 posts)PatSeg
(47,602 posts)that Russia will do to them, what they did to Democrats. They have no loyalty to an American political party. Meanwhile, Putin is probably collecting dirt on them too and he will do what is good for Russia.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)If it were not for the US there would still be a viable USSR. Much of that crumbled boil happened with the help of the US and knowing this do you think there might be a little animosity there? They have good reason in trying to help us down a few pegs
PatSeg
(47,602 posts)toward the U.S., but I don't think he cares which party he destroys, as long as it hurts the U.S. Republicans are fools to trust him.
The_jackalope
(1,660 posts)Read this:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10143300
Comey was forced into that announcement. He wants democracy to triumph, and always has.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)But democracy is on life-support. A traitor in the White House and traitors in Congress. A fascist put on the Supreme Court. Little Moscow in Florida. That's just the start.
The_jackalope
(1,660 posts)NOT.
orangecrush
(19,620 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Which is why this whole fight over two completely different realities is a last-stand effort. If we dont push back HARD, the (iron) curtain comes down. FIGHT BACK!
Different Drummer
(7,646 posts)FiveThirtyEight had Clinton so far ahead that it was seemingly impossible for Trump to win. After Comey's bombshell, FiveThirtyEight had Trump so far ahead that it seemed impossible for Clinton to win. We all know how things turned out.
orangecrush
(19,620 posts)I could be wrong.
Different Drummer
(7,646 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,191 posts). . .wouldn't they have been wrong? HRC had 3 million more votes and they were basing their prediction on popular vote not the minutia of EC folly and electors not doing what they actually swear to do as an elector. That was NOT something that could have been part of a statistical model.
So, if they did predict for "it", then they models were wrong.
Gothmog
(145,567 posts)questionseverything
(9,660 posts)too bad he didn't have a BOSS somewhere overseeing things
huh?
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)I'll take Mueller over him all day, everyday.
I guess he tried his best, but he definitely doesn't have what it takes to handle this Russian espionage and American treason.
He's ultimately the straw that broke the camel's back and cost us the election.
orangecrush
(19,620 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)ecstatic
(32,731 posts)We have a racist buffoon as president and GOP clowns that are pushing us closer to a dictatorship. Immigration as we know it is about to change. Only whites will be allowed in. The gaping holes and vulnerabilities in our Constitution and voting system are now exposed for the world to see. Nothing shiny about this place.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Whatever, at the least the quitters are gone from our government positions.
I expected MUCH more from McCain. What good does it do for Democracy & Americans future to take the dark side of "party" to his grave?
NNadir
(33,556 posts)It does seem that he sank his teeth into politics when he could have spared his country it's self destruction which is now underway.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Self righteous phony on a scale matched only by Pence
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10028129628