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NCDem777

(458 posts)
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 08:39 PM Jan 2018

Understanding white people

A lot of famous activists have stated that we must reach out to white people. Hate can't drive out hate, when they go low we go high etc. etc. And if we reach to them out of love, and reason with them politely, they'll understand that what they've done to women, ethnic minorities, LGBT people, and the disabled, is wrong

And lemme tell you, as a white guy, it's 100% bullshit.

The truth is that for white people, especially of the straight white able-bodied male variety, to give a shit about anything, it has to affect them. Period.

You couldn't pay them to give a shit about police brutality and overzealous Feds when it was happening to minorities. Then Randy Weaver had a bad day. If Weaver were black, all those white people who have used Ruby Ridge as a rallying cry for the last 20 years would have just said, "well he shoulda done what the cops told him." Sam Weaver would have become Tamir Rice before there was a Tamir Rice, and that would have been the end of it.

And it's the same for all other groups really.

White people don't care about disability rights until they get disabled or have a disabled kid. And even then, their involvement will only go as far as it takes to get themselves or their kids covered. The white suburban moms at Little Lobbyists will bail once THEIR kids are safe and promptly go back to voting Republican because the special ed teacher hurt their little feelings or some shit.

Speaking of, all the people saying special education is a waste of money or making excuses for inaccessibility? Sea of white faces. I've never heard black people say that special ed is a waste of money. Always white people.

Hell, let's get REAL provocative. Making false accusations against black men was practically a sport among Southern white women. Then came Duke Lacrosse. And white men have yet to shut up about that one. But at least they recognize that false accusations of rape are a reality. All it took was a couple hundred years and having the sword being pointed at one of their own.

And really, we must accept that if we want to get shit done in this country, we may need to turn some of their shit back on them.

You want white people to care about voter suppression? Just pull that shit in Hillbilly land for a couple years. Close down most of their polling places and send too few voting machines, half of which are broken, have tech support be the stoner from Taco Bell, and rednecks will be at the table.

Want em to care about discrimination against LGBT people in the medical profession? Just have some LGBT EMTs decide that they won't treat white people because of some moral objection.

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Understanding white people (Original Post) NCDem777 Jan 2018 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Jan 2018 #1
Don't you think this could be true of all people, not just white people? SharonClark Jan 2018 #2
Are there no white women or gays or disabled people? This whole discussion is bizarre. Squinch Jan 2018 #3
There are NCDem777 Jan 2018 #7
Ridiculous, ignorant statement. Squinch Jan 2018 #15
It's especially true of white people NCDem777 Jan 2018 #5
I don't ascribe to the "everyone in a group is alike" line of reasoning. jalan48 Jan 2018 #4
When 80% of white people can vote for Roy Moore NCDem777 Jan 2018 #6
Those are white people in a specific place. So, if you are specifically referring to Alabama you jalan48 Jan 2018 #9
What demographics almost always tend to vote Republican anywhere by large margins? NCDem777 Jan 2018 #14
I agree segregation is bad. Some white people vote for Republicans (and some blacks too) because jalan48 Jan 2018 #16
But those "some" must be affected by bad policy in some way NCDem777 Jan 2018 #24
No, it means Alabama might have an issue Codeine Jan 2018 #10
Eighty percent of white people didnt vote for Moore. NCTraveler Jan 2018 #11
Me either. cwydro Jan 2018 #18
... demmiblue Jan 2018 #8
please stop with the stereotyping Skittles Jan 2018 #12
This kind of OP about any other group would be hidden. cwydro Jan 2018 #19
Thank you. This is a deliberately divisive op. eom Tipperary Jan 2018 #30
Is this a Biden 2020 piece? Nt NCTraveler Jan 2018 #13
Damn skippy! MrScorpio Jan 2018 #17
. underpants Jan 2018 #20
Monumentally ignorant post Sailor65x1 Jan 2018 #21
Riddle me this. NCDem777 Jan 2018 #23
there's a difference between identifying racism and claiming all whites are racist Skittles Jan 2018 #26
A good ass-kicking might work.... Tatiana Jan 2018 #22
Fairly accurate. Iggo Jan 2018 #25
I would guess that an extremely large portion of DU LuckyCharms Jan 2018 #27
Judging by the group is a losing gambit. VOX Jan 2018 #28
This is the most divisive post I've ever seen on DU. n/t mia Jan 2018 #29
Well, Damn... GulfCoast66 Jan 2018 #31
oh don'tcha know? Skittles Jan 2018 #32
Try rewriting your post... chumpchange Jan 2018 #33
Would inserting "most" or even "many" change the reactions here? OneGrassRoot Jan 2018 #34

Response to NCDem777 (Original post)

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
2. Don't you think this could be true of all people, not just white people?
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 08:48 PM
Jan 2018

Many white people are simply not impacted as much as people of color or immigrants or women or gays or the disabled.

 

NCDem777

(458 posts)
7. There are
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 08:59 PM
Jan 2018

but here's the thing, if those white people weren't gay, disabled, or women, they wouldn't care.

 

NCDem777

(458 posts)
5. It's especially true of white people
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 08:53 PM
Jan 2018

When I'm talking to a crowd of ethnically diverse people about disability rights, they're actively willing to listen and understand.

White guys who don't have a disabled person in their immediate family? They get bored. They complain about how bad THEY have it. They say "Well at least you're not in some third world country."

 

NCDem777

(458 posts)
6. When 80% of white people can vote for Roy Moore
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 08:56 PM
Jan 2018

it's time to admit that the white race as a whole may have an issue.

jalan48

(13,870 posts)
9. Those are white people in a specific place. So, if you are specifically referring to Alabama you
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 09:03 PM
Jan 2018

might have a point. How do you know how the millions who didn't even bother to vote think? Are some white people racist? Of course. Are more white people racist in some areas more than others? Probably. Lumping all white people together and making a statement about "all white people" is a reasoning flaw.

 

NCDem777

(458 posts)
14. What demographics almost always tend to vote Republican anywhere by large margins?
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 09:32 PM
Jan 2018

And almost always have some lame ass excuses for discrimination and injustice?

White people.

There are only two ways able-bodied straight white people give a shit about anything that happens to a minority:

1. They have to form friendships with minorities and have regular close contact. There's a reason people want segregation in schools and why they hate diversity programs in hiring. Inevitably, white racists lose membership.
2. They have to have a "Paul on the Road to Damascus" moment. Typically involving something adversely impacting him that he thought was overstated.

jalan48

(13,870 posts)
16. I agree segregation is bad. Some white people vote for Republicans (and some blacks too) because
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 09:39 PM
Jan 2018

they want tax cuts for themselves. It's all about them. I'm not arguing some white people are racist-it's a fact. The word "some" is the important qualifier for me.

 

NCDem777

(458 posts)
24. But those "some" must be affected by bad policy in some way
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 10:07 PM
Jan 2018

"This is bad policy and I'm opposed to it whether or not it affects me" is not a thing you tend to hear from straight white able-bodied folks who have never experienced bad policy.

Being in a majority demographic in any nation is damaging to one's empathy to varying degrees.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
10. No, it means Alabama might have an issue
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 09:07 PM
Jan 2018

but we already knew that. Last time I checked DU seemed pretty white, and we all seem to care. . .

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
11. Eighty percent of white people didnt vote for Moore.
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 09:08 PM
Jan 2018

Jones actually got a historically high percentage of white votes for Alabama, for a Democrat.

“When 80% of white people can vote for Roy Moore
it's time to admit that the white race as a whole may have an issue.”

You shouldn’t base broad assumptions off of one state. Specially considering you are using flawed statistics to do so.

underpants

(182,829 posts)
20. .
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 09:58 PM
Jan 2018

Was alerted for jury duty in this and wanted to find it and Recommend it. Great piece. I completely agree. Oh I'm as white as you get too.

 

NCDem777

(458 posts)
23. Riddle me this.
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 10:05 PM
Jan 2018

Why did redneckistan change their ideas on drug policy from "Toss all drug addicts in jail!" to "We need more treatment centers!"?

It wasn't because they recognized the jail approach wasn't working.

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
25. Fairly accurate.
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 10:09 PM
Jan 2018

I have one white parent and one very dark brown parent. I look as white as any other white guy, and a good chunk of the time I feel like a white guy because I'm treated like a white guy. White privilege is fucking awesome, don't get me wrong. But I've also been at the table when everybody but me thought everybody there was white guys. It can get real ugly when a subject like homelessness or the police murdering unarmed brown people or homo- or transphobia or gender equity comes up. Not always, but often enough to spot the trend.

LuckyCharms

(17,444 posts)
27. I would guess that an extremely large portion of DU
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 10:20 PM
Jan 2018

consists of white people. I also would guess that virtually all of these people cannot be stereotyped in this manner.

I am a white male, and while I recognize that some whites in general fit the mold that you describe, I don't think that the majority do. I know that I don't.

The points you describe are excellent, and your OP would hit the mark if you applied these qualities to only some people, instead of using such a broad brush.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
28. Judging by the group is a losing gambit.
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 10:34 PM
Jan 2018

Right off the bat, it’s condescending, and it sparks instant pushback.

I agree that Democrats/progressives have to fight back hard, but picking out and targeting an entire group is NOT a wise strategy. Because, while most racists are indeed white, all whites are not racists.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
31. Well, Damn...
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 11:26 PM
Jan 2018

And here I thought I was a liberal Social Democrat who is a strong supporter of Civil Rights.

But since I am a straight, southern, strong, good looking(so says my wife)white make, I guess I do not give a shit about things that do not effect me.

And I really thought I hated race and gender based stereotypes.

Who knew.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
32. oh don'tcha know?
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 11:33 PM
Jan 2018

all us whites trash POC when none are present, and we all secretly wish we could all vote for Moore

 

chumpchange

(48 posts)
33. Try rewriting your post...
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:04 AM
Jan 2018

With the word "brown" replacing white and you might start getting a clue why you are getting backlash.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
34. Would inserting "most" or even "many" change the reactions here?
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 09:51 AM
Jan 2018

I wonder...

I'm also against blanket statements but, in my experience, even choosing my words very carefully when speaking of these things -- making sure I say some or many or at times most -- doesn't change the reaction.

Here's a near blanket statement: As a whole, white people are fragile AF.

I'm white and grew up in a KKK environment and thus for my entire life have been more attuned to the overwhelming bias against people of color and the systemic racism than most white people I have known. Trying to get other white people to see the truth of it is my greatest challenge and it's because, in my strong opinion, most (#NotAllWhitePeople...*cough*) white people are too fragile and resistant to the truth of others' experiences. And this is because we are immersed in a sea of white supremacy and white privilege; it's like asking fish to identify water.



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