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malaise

(269,054 posts)
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 09:22 PM Jan 2018

Breaking in the NYT - theCon tried to fire Mueller but backed off after

WH Counsel threatened to quit.

Shit is coming down and fast.

Chris Hayes is discussing this.

Oops!! KABOOM!!!
Beginning of the end says Hayes. Secret society my ass!

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Breaking in the NYT - theCon tried to fire Mueller but backed off after (Original Post) malaise Jan 2018 OP
Yeah, last JUNE! BigmanPigman Jan 2018 #1
Just saw that, nearly choked on my peanut butter sandwich. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #2
Perhaps what is most interesting is Voltaire2 Jan 2018 #3
We have a proverb here malaise Jan 2018 #6
What song is that?--"One day the bottom must drop out"? panader0 Jan 2018 #19
I shot the sheriff. n/t Kirk Lover Jan 2018 #23
I step out of the room for a few mins... HipChick Jan 2018 #4
NY Times article. underpants Jan 2018 #5
Thanks malaise Jan 2018 #13
I love this from the NYT LiberalFighter Jan 2018 #28
For a man who has been crooked and unethical most of his life, malaise Jan 2018 #31
Eventually, they're all going to quit. lindysalsagal Jan 2018 #7
Hey look, an attempted Obstruction of Justice NightWatcher Jan 2018 #8
One more attempt malaise Jan 2018 #11
On CNN but not faux or msnbc or NBC yet. lindysalsagal Jan 2018 #9
Not true -Chris Hayes has been talking about this since malaise Jan 2018 #10
Every day, I hope it's the day when prudent observers buckle their chinstraps. BobTheSubgenius Jan 2018 #12
I can't wait to see how this ends malaise Jan 2018 #14
+1, half the reason why I'm tuned in !! This is like a decent book but in real life with a scary ... uponit7771 Jan 2018 #16
Sure looks that way malaise Jan 2018 #32
McGhan is jumping ship !!! He doesn't want to be a part of the **** hole. 1st ACTIONABLE news on uponit7771 Jan 2018 #15
When the cat's away, the mice will leak GreatCaesarsGhost Jan 2018 #17
How soon until Trump fires McGahn via Tweet C_U_L8R Jan 2018 #18
How long before this happens? meow2u3 Jan 2018 #20
Dipshit cant even pull off a Saturday night massacre Major Nikon Jan 2018 #21
Andy Borowitz 48 mins ago · Melania Says She Has No Plans to Visit Trump in Prison L. Coyote Jan 2018 #22
Will his kids be visiting or staying? LiberalFighter Jan 2018 #29
Help me out here folks. He didnt do it, but wanted to. So how does that get him in more trouble? 7962 Jan 2018 #24
It goes to motive, with respect to Comey firing. More proof of nefarious intent. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #25
I tend to agree. LTG Jan 2018 #26
The same as attempted murder. LiberalFighter Jan 2018 #30
Attempted murder? Thats an actual ACT. 7962 Jan 2018 #34
Intent and can't in anyway claim stupid, Obstruction is 100% intent IINM even if there's no crime uponit7771 Jan 2018 #33
I don't buy that WH Counsel really threatened to quit... Dem4eva Jan 2018 #27
Any reasonably competent attorney would have done the same thing Major Nikon Jan 2018 #35

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
2. Just saw that, nearly choked on my peanut butter sandwich.
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 09:28 PM
Jan 2018

Holy crap. Excrement could be impacting the airfoils pretty soon...

Voltaire2

(13,061 posts)
3. Perhaps what is most interesting is
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 09:28 PM
Jan 2018

that people are leaking to the “fake news” press. They have no loyalty. Mueller has been marching these clowns in and they are all ratting out each other and of course Shitler. These guys are amateurs.

malaise

(269,054 posts)
6. We have a proverb here
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 09:32 PM
Jan 2018

Every day carry bucket go a well, one day the bucket bottom must drop out. The flood gates are open.

underpants

(182,829 posts)
5. NY Times article.
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 09:30 PM
Jan 2018

Trump Ordered Mueller Fired, but Backed Off When White House Counsel Threatened to Quit

WASHINGTON — President Trump ordered the firing last June of Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel overseeing the Russia investigation, according to four people told of the matter, but ultimately backed down after the White House counsel threatened to resign rather than carry out the directive.

The West Wing confrontation marks the first time Mr. Trump is known to have tried to fire the special counsel. Mr. Mueller learned about the episode in recent months as his investigators interviewed current and former senior White House officials in his inquiry into whether the president obstructed justice.

Amid the first wave of news media reports that Mr. Mueller was examining a possible obstruction case, the president began to argue that Mr. Mueller had three conflicts of interest that disqualified him from overseeing the investigation, two of the people said.

First, he claimed that a dispute years ago over fees at Trump National Golf Club in Sterling, Va., had prompted Mr. Mueller, the F.B.I. director at the time, to resign his membership. The president also said Mr. Mueller could not be impartial because he had most recently worked for the law firm that previously represented the president’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner. Finally, the president said, Mr. Mueller had been interviewed to return as the F.B.I. director the day before he was appointed special counsel in May.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/us/politics/trump-mueller-special-counsel-russia.html?referer=

LiberalFighter

(50,950 posts)
28. I love this from the NYT
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:29 AM
Jan 2018

Mr. McGahn disagreed with the president’s case and told senior White House officials that firing Mr. Mueller would have a catastrophic effect on Mr. Trump’s presidency. Mr. McGahn also told White House officials that Mr. Trump would not follow through on the dismissal on his own. The president then backed off.

McGahn called DT a chicken.

malaise

(269,054 posts)
31. For a man who has been crooked and unethical most of his life,
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 04:27 AM
Jan 2018

it's amusing how he hates to be publicly shamed.
This Con settled a fraud case for millions while running for office.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
12. Every day, I hope it's the day when prudent observers buckle their chinstraps.
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 09:43 PM
Jan 2018

It feels very, very close now.

malaise

(269,054 posts)
14. I can't wait to see how this ends
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 09:45 PM
Jan 2018

I want a global shout of You're Fired for the Con!
Akerman maintains guilty!

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
16. +1, half the reason why I'm tuned in !! This is like a decent book but in real life with a scary ...
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 09:52 PM
Jan 2018

... bastard as the main villain that parents can literally use to show how ... NOT ... to be to their kids.

Looks like McGahn is jumping ship and screaming for someone to help on this issue

malaise

(269,054 posts)
32. Sure looks that way
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 04:30 AM
Jan 2018

I love the timing of this leak. Let them Fox off with their secret society attack on the FBI. The Con is showing us why they want and need those treasonous attacks.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
15. McGhan is jumping ship !!! He doesn't want to be a part of the **** hole. 1st ACTIONABLE news on
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 09:49 PM
Jan 2018

... Red Don's obstruction case IMHO.

If this is true then there are multiple layers of Red Don getting in the way of the "nothing burger".

This goes beyond his ego not wanting to be bruised because of de-legitimizing his win in Nov

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
24. Help me out here folks. He didnt do it, but wanted to. So how does that get him in more trouble?
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 11:27 PM
Jan 2018

I mean, obviously if he HAD, the shit would hit the fan. But he didnt do it. So is even wanting to do it illegal? WH counsel did his job and straightened him out on it, since this was months ago. If he didnt listen, he would've fired him by now I'd guess.

LTG

(216 posts)
26. I tend to agree.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:26 AM
Jan 2018

WH Counsel did his job and told Trump he couldn’t. Trump could have fired him, then easily found someone willing to do the firing. He followed the “advice” of counsel and gave up on the idea. Don’t think that amounts to much.

As to Comey, he had the power to fire him, without any reason at all. A semblance of a rationale was provided, whether many find it believable or not.

I think the SC could rule that neither rise to an attempt at obstruction of justice. But then I don’t really have any legal authority to back that up.

What we may clearly see as true and just are often not how the law ends up doing.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
34. Attempted murder? Thats an actual ACT.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 07:17 AM
Jan 2018

But if you just said "I'd like to kill that guy" nothing happens to you, unless you're threatening the president.
Another post mentions obstruction, and that seems like the only possible outlet. But I just dont see it being enough to take him out

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
33. Intent and can't in anyway claim stupid, Obstruction is 100% intent IINM even if there's no crime
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 06:17 AM
Jan 2018
 

Dem4eva

(41 posts)
27. I don't buy that WH Counsel really threatened to quit...
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:28 AM
Jan 2018

They leaked this to see how MUCH outrage it causes because guess what? Trumpler is still thinking of firing him. Yeah, it sounds beyond idiotic, but remember who we're dealing with here. They are grasping for straws and this is a potential hail mary. Secret society? Exposed as a fraud. Deleted texts as part of a plot to 'get' Trump? Exposed as a fraud. Nunes' bullshit memo? Soon to be exposed.

What do they have left? Cobb and Co. have made a course correction, and he supposedly wants to get the useful idiot in front of Mueller, but again....to what end? He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't if that actually comes to fruition. Seems to me, the Orange Anus is damn near painted into a corner. Advantage Mueller. Get it DONE Bob....finish him.

BTW: I'm watching the 11th hour right now and Brian WIlliams quotes Bill Kristol as saying:

"Who leaked this? Probably McGahn (perhaps even with Cobb) Why now? Well, it's effect will presumably be a negative reaction to firing Mueller. Which may well mean Trump recently returned to the idea, and this is a desperate last ditch effort by McGahn to stop him again."

.......pretty close to the theory I laid out above. Night all.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
35. Any reasonably competent attorney would have done the same thing
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 11:56 AM
Jan 2018

He wasn't Trump's personal attorney and was instead a federally employed attorney representing the executive branch. As such he could potentially face his own charge of obstruction of justice had he carried out Trump's order.

It's really just a case of history repeating itself. U.S. Attorney General Elliot Richardson and his deputy, William Ruckelshaus both quit when Nixon ordered them to fire special prosecutor, Archibald Cox.

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