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David Cay Johnston on MSNBC just mentioned Trump might try to use military to retain power (Original Post) highplainsdem Jan 2018 OP
It's deja-vu all over again. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #1
we are close to here lapfog_1 Jan 2018 #41
The military will fracture and certain states will announce plans for secession. roamer65 Jan 2018 #2
Good luck with that... HipChick Jan 2018 #3
heard that bdamomma Jan 2018 #4
Then he'd be arrested. dchill Jan 2018 #5
By this guy? Gabi Hayes Jan 2018 #9
No - some previously unnoticed patriotic underling. dchill Jan 2018 #12
I've heard this about every single POTUS since Nixon leftstreet Jan 2018 #6
They should work something about FEMA Trailers and Weather Machines into their theories. FSogol Jan 2018 #53
I doubt the Pentagon brass are big fans of Trump. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #7
He should be worried they will get rid of him. L. Coyote Jan 2018 #37
President Bonespurs. Nah. I do not think so Freethinker65 Jan 2018 #8
Who's David Cay Jonston? brooklynite Jan 2018 #10
Because we are talking about trump. JI7 Jan 2018 #11
Unlike Fox viewers, I don't blindly accept what any Cable News pundit says. brooklynite Jan 2018 #13
The context of it was- how does it work serving the president papers and also how would bettyellen Jan 2018 #16
Silly? Gabi Hayes Jan 2018 #14
This took five whole seconds Gabi Hayes Jan 2018 #18
Gabi !!! :) Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2018 #19
How could I not? DCJ is an actual journalist, something severely endangered these days Gabi Hayes Jan 2018 #23
Really! elleng Jan 2018 #29
He knows who Johnston is ... eleny Jan 2018 #24
Ahhhhhh Gabi Hayes Jan 2018 #25
Too easy eleny Jan 2018 #27
I use it alla time, but Gabi Hayes Jan 2018 #33
Sorry for the delay - had to go to sleep eleny Jan 2018 #60
i guess that's the answer to his question JI7 Jan 2018 #38
OMC! RandiFan1290 Jan 2018 #46
David Cay Johnston bdamomma Jan 2018 #17
Yes didnt MFM008 Jan 2018 #42
He is... late Jan 2018 #52
It should scare us all, that it IS being discussed on channels that don't pander to conspiracy dewsgirl Jan 2018 #54
Whaaaaa?! So you never hung out with him a "Salon"? Good Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2018 #57
David Cay Johnston is an investigative reporter PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2018 #63
My expectation is that the military would refuse such an order. TomSlick Jan 2018 #15
Yes. elleng Jan 2018 #30
How does one explain venal, lying barfbags like Kelly and Mattis, Gabi Hayes Jan 2018 #35
I will allow that Kelly and Mattis are disappointing. TomSlick Jan 2018 #65
Agreed, of course, but the point is, these people have shown, so far, to be capable of saying and Gabi Hayes Jan 2018 #66
Surely they did. TomSlick Jan 2018 #68
Maybe that's Trump final play. In your face, what are you going to do about it? jalan48 Jan 2018 #20
Well, there's this Posse Comitatus thing that might get in the way. TreasonousBastard Jan 2018 #21
I've said all along if something happens we are going to have a hard time getting rid of him blueinredohio Jan 2018 #22
of course bdamomma Jan 2018 #49
I have no doubt that Trump would try to use the military standingtall Jan 2018 #26
Exactly, remember when he tweeted that he wanted all the transgender troops removed? FSogol Jan 2018 #56
I think its highly unlikely that it would work. milestogo Jan 2018 #28
This is one And there are Americans who are willing to die to keep that from happening. Lint Head Jan 2018 #31
I hear you. MFM008 Jan 2018 #43
No worries. I have no doubt that, in such an eventuality, the military leadership would... LudwigPastorius Jan 2018 #32
I think I'm more scared of the "tactical" gun nuts that are 10% of his base. sharedvalues Jan 2018 #34
First, he'll need to turn the clock back to pre-dementia time. L. Coyote Jan 2018 #36
At this point nothing Trump did would surprise me, it is like a Twilight Zone episode. doc03 Jan 2018 #39
Only one episode? MFM008 Jan 2018 #44
With what there us to be concerned about defacto7 Jan 2018 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Jan 2018 #45
I cant be the only one remembering Lars39 Jan 2018 #47
At this point nothing would surprise. He's already got ICE all ginned up. Vinca Jan 2018 #48
Yawn. I read this on DU almost weekly from 2001-2008. nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2018 #50
This guy is a bit kooky snowybirdie Jan 2018 #51
It sure is, and it makes MSNBC look like they are entertaining the same conspirisy bullshit as fox still_one Jan 2018 #58
Youre out of your mind, WADR Gabi Hayes Jan 2018 #59
That is bullshit. Not that he wouldn't wish that he could do it, he couldn't. still_one Jan 2018 #55
David Cay Johnson is spreading more BS. Despise trump, but Jeeez. Hoyt Jan 2018 #61
He's try to mobilize the military and incite riots and chaos by his white neo-nazi supporters. lark Jan 2018 #62
I have a high regard for Mr. Johnston, PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2018 #64
After distracting everybody with some 2008 "breaking news" about Hillary... (nt) ehrnst Jan 2018 #67

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,734 posts)
1. It's deja-vu all over again.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:02 AM
Jan 2018

I remember that there was a fair amount of concern that Nixon would refuse to turn over the secret WH tapes despite the court order, and that he would use the military to resist complying with the order. But even Nixon had a few shreds of respect for the institutions of the government, while Trump seems to have none.

bdamomma

(63,875 posts)
4. heard that
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:03 AM
Jan 2018


Good that he is out of the country now, he's probably over the top now. tRump is very unpredictable which could be a very dangerous thing.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
53. They should work something about FEMA Trailers and Weather Machines into their theories.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:05 PM
Jan 2018

It would make it more believable.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
37. He should be worried they will get rid of him.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:24 AM
Jan 2018

The US is probably closer to a coup with trump in office than ever before in history.

brooklynite

(94,597 posts)
10. Who's David Cay Jonston?
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:12 AM
Jan 2018

And why is this speculation any less silly than what a Fox News commentator would say?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
16. The context of it was- how does it work serving the president papers and also how would
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:19 AM
Jan 2018

It happen if they had to subpoena records from the WH?
Basically everyone was explaining how it went down w Nixon and what various scenarios could happen if Trump was resisting the processes of our institutions. Basically to the point of not letting anyone on WH grounds. So it was just one of many comments speculating on all possibilities.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
14. Silly?
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:15 AM
Jan 2018

If you don’t know who he is.....why are you here???

seriesly

Try a little googling

Holy LORDY!

Sad!

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
18. This took five whole seconds
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:23 AM
Jan 2018
https://www.c-span.org/video/?193674-3/offshore-tax-shelters

Next, try

Trump casino Johnston

So easy!

You can find out all by yourself!

Then try the Panama Papers

Then try dcreport.org

It’s not hard

You can do it!
 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
23. How could I not? DCJ is an actual journalist, something severely endangered these days
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:35 AM
Jan 2018

As the other poster says, he probably knows more about hair shitler’s finances than anyone

Certainly more than T himself

eleny

(46,166 posts)
60. Sorry for the delay - had to go to sleep
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:21 PM
Jan 2018

My search was the DU username and David Cay J's full name and it popped up in the list.

bdamomma

(63,875 posts)
17. David Cay Johnston
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:21 AM
Jan 2018

has known tRump for over 27 yrs, do a goggle search on him. You will be quite surprised what he knows about Donald.

late

(20 posts)
52. He is...
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:04 PM
Jan 2018

DCJ is a prof.

He is also a journalist, and has written a book about Trump (worth reading).

He's also written a book about what Republicans are doing, the title is something like It's Worse than you Think. I haven't read that yet.

He was also talking about a potential involvement with Russians during the campaign.



dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
54. It should scare us all, that it IS being discussed on channels that don't pander to conspiracy
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:05 PM
Jan 2018

Theorists.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
63. David Cay Johnston is an investigative reporter
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:48 PM
Jan 2018

who writes mostly about tax and economic issues. He has a very long track record in this area. He's not a celebrity journalist, just one who is in the trenches covering this stuff.

His book Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense and Stick You With The Bill came out in 2007 and was scary enough back then.

I most recently heard him interviewed by Amy Goodman. Her show Democracy Now is one I wish everyone here would watch or listen to. i wake up to her every morning.

I'd bet that he is generally the smartest man in any room that he's in.

TomSlick

(11,100 posts)
15. My expectation is that the military would refuse such an order.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:17 AM
Jan 2018

Military officers' oath is to the constitution. That oath - for want of a better word - trumps the duty to obedience to the President. Military officers are taught from their earliest days they have a duty to disobey illegal orders - that obedience to orders is the "Nuremberg defense" and the Nuremberg defendants were hanged. After nearly thirty years of duty as an Army JAG, I know the lawyers would be screaming bloody murder threatening prosecution for sedition (Article 94, UCMJ).

I have no reason to believe that the military would participate in a coup d'etat.


 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
35. How does one explain venal, lying barfbags like Kelly and Mattis,
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:17 AM
Jan 2018

pray tell?

Seems like they’d be good Germans, in the traditional sense, Nein?

TomSlick

(11,100 posts)
65. I will allow that Kelly and Mattis are disappointing.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 09:22 PM
Jan 2018

However, lying for the boss is a fundamentally different thing than an armed insurrection. If the US military takes part in a coup d'etat, my disappointment will be the least of our problems. Nevertheless, I see no reason to believe that any such order would be seriously considered. If some commander marched on DC, every other commander in the area would be obliged by the sedition provisions of the UCMJ to intervene.

There are a host of things to worry about these days. This one is way down the list.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
66. Agreed, of course, but the point is, these people have shown, so far, to be capable of saying and
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 09:27 PM
Jan 2018

Doing anything

Do you think the Germans thought Hitler would turn out like he did?

TomSlick

(11,100 posts)
68. Surely they did.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 09:34 PM
Jan 2018

It was all laid-out very clearly in Mein Kampf.

The disappointing bit from that story is that the Wehrmact succumbed and pledged its loyalty to Hitler personalty. I just don't believe the US military would go down that road. US soldiers are not nearly so compliant as pre-WWII German soldiers and they teach history at West Point.

jalan48

(13,870 posts)
20. Maybe that's Trump final play. In your face, what are you going to do about it?
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:26 AM
Jan 2018

What would we do about it?

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
22. I've said all along if something happens we are going to have a hard time getting rid of him
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:33 AM
Jan 2018

He's going to call on his crazy base to defend him. Hopefully the military will be on our side.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
26. I have no doubt that Trump would try to use the military
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:46 AM
Jan 2018

to retain power and anyone who thinks he wouldn't isn't paying attention. Thankfully I doubt the military would be on board with it.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
56. Exactly, remember when he tweeted that he wanted all the transgender troops removed?
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:07 PM
Jan 2018

The military ignored him.

LudwigPastorius

(9,155 posts)
32. No worries. I have no doubt that, in such an eventuality, the military leadership would...
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 01:12 AM
Jan 2018

tell Trump to get fucked.

Response to highplainsdem (Original post)

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
47. I cant be the only one remembering
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 07:52 AM
Jan 2018

Trump’s WH photo op with all the generals and spouses. Was he trying to cement their loyalty to him?

snowybirdie

(5,229 posts)
51. This guy is a bit kooky
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:02 PM
Jan 2018

He wrote a book about trumpy years ago and tried to capitalize on his "insight" for years. Only guest I saw that Rachel had to calm down. She did it politely, but he was going off the rails about trumpy's one page leaked tax return

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
59. Youre out of your mind, WADR
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:19 PM
Jan 2018

Do some reading on this thread alone, for starters

He’s one of the few journalists currently worthy of the term, and was simply answering the question put to him contextually

JFC

Jumpstart for the ignorant:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/03/15/david-cay-johnston/99202670/

Doesn’t even mention his key role in the panama Papers

JFC

lark

(23,105 posts)
62. He's try to mobilize the military and incite riots and chaos by his white neo-nazi supporters.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:47 PM
Jan 2018

The military leaders appointed by him are loyalists to him and not our country and they would back him, but would the ordinary rank and file officer and service person follow the treasonous anti-American self protecting orders to hurt other Americans or destroy institutions? That's the real question.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
64. I have a high regard for Mr. Johnston,
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 12:53 PM
Jan 2018

but I'm hoping he's completely wrong about this.

I can see Trump attempting to do so, but I don't see him pulling it off. I think our military is far too smart to allow it.

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