No.

If you wanted conversation, you are surely going to have political theory conversation. Trump does not align with Democratic political beliefs.

is with the republicans who share his values

he is poisonous.

But I agree that tRump has no principles, is easy to manipulate and just likes to play with his crayons (i.e. Sign something regardless of content)

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Ignorance may be at the core of his racism, but that make no difference. No quarter for him with us!

With the GOP in control of congress, nothing gets to his desk.

Perhaps some of the Republicans would go along but the leadership will not bring a minority supported bill to the vote. It is called the Hastert Rule and is appropriately named after a real shithead.

isn't really a good excuse. It's not really a rule, just guidance, and I think the GOP leadership is as frustrated with the Freedom Caucus as everybody else. They might ignore the 'rule' if they saw the Racist Caucus going down in flames anyway.

The Hastert Rule is just a partisan power play to ensure that only GOP branded bills get heard.

I have given up on expecting the Republican Leadership to do the right thing. They have proven to be part of the problem rather than part of the solution. If they have not bailed on DJT yet, I am not sure what could make them.

Just the fact that they have not distanced themselves from the namesake of the Hastert rule tells me plenty.

I am concerned about what is good for Democrats. Did you forget that this is the Democratic Underground?

"while unlikely to be a progressive agenda- would at least be something, until we can make the big correction."

We're not getting anything right now, and that's bad for the country, including Dems, especially Dems.

I remember when Hillary was making the initial run at universal health care and the Repubs shot it down not because they didn't like it, but because they didn't want to give Dems the political victory. It took a long time to get that fixed. It feels a bit hypocritical to then turn around and wish for failure for potential political gain, which could easily backfire anyway.

I'm not saying Dems should move towards Trump's positions (whatever the hell they are), but just that he would do better moving more towards the mainstream.

OK, I better stop now. Y'all are right, this isn't the right place for this type of conversation.

That is the opening line
I cannot get past that the crux of your post is about what is good for Trump.

In any case, he lies and cannot be trusted.

Back when he courted all parties. I'll spare you and won't post that common photo of him and the Clintons laughing it up. He expressed his positive opinion of single payer government run health insurance at one time. (Because its great for business, they don't have to provide their own for workers) He was against the Iraq war, despite a half-hearted reversal when he was conjoled into it by Howard Stern. I believe this because his non-intervention foreign policy reflects this now.

Anyways, I think he could have been a very high approval President if he'd gone down that path earlier. But he doesn't have empathy for anyone else, he doesn't believe in helping anyone who is underprivileged, or of another race. In other words he is devoid of even the basic principles of any kind of social Democrat. He's also stupid. Too stupid to even understand how he could have been more inclusive, moderate, and thus popular across the board, even if he had to pretend. But he's too stupid to be a good actor even. Example: "Good people on both sides" when he could have bit his racist tongue, and read the response that Kelly gave him to read, condemned White Supremacists. He wouldn't have lost support on the right, they'd just take it with a wink and a nudge anyways. Or maybe its that he's just too much of an asshole to even pull that off if he tried, so he instead went def-con asshole.