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WhiskeyGrinder

(22,357 posts)
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 03:31 PM Jan 2018

OTL: Michigan State secrets extend far beyond Larry Nassar case

http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/22214566/pattern-denial-inaction-information-suppression-michigan-state-goes-larry-nassar-case-espn

MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY administrators have long claimed, to the federal government and public, that they have handled sexual assault, violence, and gender discrimination complaints properly.

But an Outside the Lines investigation has found a pattern of widespread denial, inaction and information suppression of such allegations by officials ranging from campus police to the Spartan athletic department, whose top leader, Mark Hollis, announced his retirement on Friday. The actions go well beyond the highly publicized case of former MSU athletic physician Larry Nassar.

Over the past three years, MSU has three times fought in court -- unsuccessfully -- to withhold names of athletes in campus police records. The school has also deleted so much information from some incident reports that they were nearly unreadable. In circumstances in which administrators have commissioned internal examinations to review how they have handled certain sexual violence complaints, officials have been selective in releasing information publicly. In one case, a university-hired outside investigator claimed to have not even generated a written report at the conclusion of his work. And attorneys who have represented accusers and the accused agree on this: University officials have not always been transparent, and often put the school's reputation above the need to give fair treatment to those reporting sexual violence and to the alleged perpetrators.

Even MSU's most-recognizable figures, football coach Mark Dantonio and basketball coach Tom Izzo, have had incidents involving their programs, Outside the Lines has found.


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Pathwalker

(6,598 posts)
2. We locals have known this all along. Unfortunately, the compliant
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 04:12 PM
Jan 2018

media has treated this like just boys being boys. Pissing on sidewalks, hit and runs, sexual assaults, brandishing guns, etc... Nothing to see here, move along, now.

Tbear

(488 posts)
3. Whoa! Pissing on Sidewalks?!!
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 10:10 PM
Jan 2018

I am astonished that college students pee on the sidewalks, especially an 18 year old elite athlete that has never been on their own (just like the other 18 year old students).

We should jail them all and crush their futures because they have not yet learned their personal ratio of beer intake to "I better pee now".

Where is that dripping sarcasm emoji when I need it?

Maybe you shouldn't live in East Lansing if you are so appalled by young collegians finding their way.

On the other hand, sexual assault is not allowed in any way shape or form. If the MSU athletic department has been covering this up, they need to step down.

I have always taken pride in Tom and Mark for winning the right way. I would be heartbroken if I have been deceived.

Go green and show us you are clean!

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
4. The article suggests in fact they didn't win the right way
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 11:29 PM
Jan 2018

Izzo didn't fire a student assistant coach who punched a woman in the face. Same assistant coach was accused of participating in a gang rape a few months later. Fortunately such things don't get in the way of big time athletics and the matter was dealt with internally by the basketball team. Clearly an effective approach.

2 basketball players who were accused of rape, had their on campus housing moved as a result, but MSU didn't suspend the players, nor did they start a Title IX investigation as required by law.

Dantonio dealt with a sexual assault claim against one football player by "having him tell his mom", which if he's as scummy as every other rapist was likely some version of we were both drunk and made a mistake, or she had a short skirt, or she changed her mind afterward or some such nonsense.

MSU sued ESPN to attempt to avoid giving them records on the pathetic "investigations". MSU was laughed out of court.

Big time college athletics needs to be nuked from orbit and started over.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
5. You should read the entire sentence. Brandishing guns, hit and runs, and sexual assault...
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 04:27 AM
Jan 2018

...are also (according to the DUer who said s/he is a local) treated like no big deal.

That okay with you?

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
7. Wow Sparty way to represent! NOT
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 09:42 AM
Jan 2018

Can you read the English language? Maybe you shouldn't represent MSU and East Lansing.

Read the article from OTL. MSU is a shithole of criminal athletes, coaches , corrupt police and administrators, and worthless ignorant athlete worshipping fans.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
10. Yes apparently the point is
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 09:53 AM
Jan 2018

MSU athletes can whip out their dicks, or act like dicks, whenever they want.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
12. OTL article is all half truths
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 10:05 AM
Jan 2018

Absolute garbage article that is dishonest and distorts every incident it refers to.

MSU handled each of these situations by the book, unlike the Nassar situation.

For instance. The lady in the interview said the football coach handled an assault case internally by talking to a players mom. Not true. The police informed the coach that a player had been accused, the player was suspended, then the charges were dropped. The coach talked to the player and decided to kick him off the team anyways and made the player tell his mother why he was kicked off. None of that is in the article though.

This article is garbage, don’t fall for it. The Nassar situation was horrific, but these other coaches have nothing to do with it. ESPN is looking for clicks.

Tbear

(488 posts)
17. This exactly.
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 10:47 PM
Jan 2018

Let's see how it plays out, and like I said before, if anyone in the administration is complicit they should be charged.
The Nasser is horrific.
It doesn't mean everyone is in on it.
Anyone who knew and didn't act, fuck'em.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,357 posts)
13. Athletic: NCAA president Mark Emmert was alerted to Michigan State sexual assault reports in 2010
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 10:19 AM
Jan 2018
https://theathletic.com/223555/2018/01/26/ncaa-president-mark-emmert-was-alerted-to-michigan-state-sexual-assault-reports-in-2010/

Though the NCAA has announced its intention to open an investigation into Michigan State’s athletic department, it remains unclear what exactly the purview of the investigation would be.

And, more importantly, why it’s taken so long to get involved.

NCAA president Mark Emmert was specifically alerted in November 2010 — six months after he was hired as the organization's president — to 37 reports involving Michigan State athletes sexually assaulting women.

Kathy Redmond, the founder of the National Coalition Against Violent Athletes, provided The Athletic with a copy of the letter she sent to Emmert urging him to better protect women with new, stronger gender violence policy measures.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,357 posts)
14. Deadspin: Betsy DeVos Rolled Back Title IX Protections Two Days After Hanging Out With MSU President
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 10:22 AM
Jan 2018
https://deadspin.com/betsy-devos-rolled-back-title-ix-protections-two-days-a-1822462475

It can be hard to keep track of how many different pieces of news broke today, all of them illuminating one larger point—Michigan State really didn’t want to try too hard, if at all, to prevent or investigate sexual assault or gender violence on its campus, and they were especially reluctant to do so if that case involved athletics. Michigan State went about doing this in various ways. It tried to get out of its reporting duties under Title IX, but it also created a separate way for handling complaints about athletes. And when the institution did hand out punishments, they weren’t much.

Amid all those horrible details and all the broader malpractice, one strangeness stands out. It’s a meeting that former Michigan State president Lou Anna Simon had with Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos, and where that meeting fell relative to when DeVos’ federal agency rolled back rules mandating that universities had to investigate (as well as try to prevent) sexual assault and gender violence.

Sept. 20, 2017: Lou Anna Simon meets with Betsy DeVos. You can even see a picture here of them chatting.
Sept. 22, 2017: Obama-era Title IX guidance is withdrawn
Oct. 10, 2017: Michigan State asks to have federal monitoring ended

Now, it’s worth pointing out that those rollbacks didn’t stop the federal government from looking into just what the hell was going on at Michigan State. It also didn’t stop the government from rejecting that Oct. 10 request. While we’re doing caveats, it makes sense that DeVos would be talking to college presidents, including Simon, right before making a big decision on Title IX.

But it is worth remembering, as Simon continues to express shock at her institution’s repeated failure to stop convicted serial abuser Larry Nassar, that she had no problem openly aligning herself with a woman who has some pretty crazy ideas about education, and always said she would gut Title IX. It’s notable, but it might not be surprising. Simon, after all, let the DeVos family donate more than $10 million for a university research building at Michigan State. You are, as the saying goes, the company you keep.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
15. Simon is as liberal as they come.
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 10:59 AM
Jan 2018

She was head of a big university. She has to do her job if that includes meeting with the Education Secretary. Simon is no fan of DeVos or Trump.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,357 posts)
16. Okay, so she's a liberal who has acted without courage or conviction on several matters over the
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 11:08 AM
Jan 2018

past two decades.

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