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Ryan used Russian assistance to ensure Republicans held the House in 2016. Pelosi asked him to stop (Original Post) kpete Jan 2018 OP
Needs investigating.....Resign now Ryan. sunonmars Jan 2018 #1
This +1000 superpatriotman Jan 2018 #17
If this was Canada or Western Europe the entire R leadership would be forced to resign by an Fred Sanders Jan 2018 #30
Ayup. Thats about the size of things. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2018 #55
Right on cue multiple leading politicians have resigned in Ontario, Nova Scotia and federal... Fred Sanders Jan 2018 #56
So theyre just as predatory towards women as we are? BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2018 #58
I think it is significant that Europe and Canada have Parliamentary Systems. Top-Hat Jan 2018 #61
welcome to DU gopiscrap Jan 2018 #64
This was in the news as early as end of 2016, early 2017. BadgerMom Jan 2018 #37
Mueller knows this already, from what independent journalists have written. Ryan and McConnell are Eyeball_Kid Jan 2018 #45
I want this to be true so badly it hurts RVN VET71 Jan 2018 #54
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2018 #50
The entire GOP is tainted with Russian influence. The Great Oligarch Party TeamPooka Jan 2018 #59
Yep. I remember reading about this. Freethinker65 Jan 2018 #2
I guess that answers why he backed Nunes. nt Phoenix61 Jan 2018 #3
Nunes is also trying to protect Ryan's ass. And his own. Both are targets. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2018 #46
GOP-Russia Crime Family thbobby Jan 2018 #4
If Ryan, or McConnell for that matter, sdfernando Jan 2018 #8
Well it works both ways FakeNoose Jan 2018 #12
Family Messaging BBG Jan 2018 #25
Obama PAC takes Russian supplied into obtained by crime in political ads. Obama refuses to Fred Sanders Jan 2018 #32
Traitor Ryan. JDC Jan 2018 #5
Traitors all! SWBTATTReg Jan 2018 #6
Filthy scum The Genealogist Jan 2018 #7
Ryan is 1st in line for potus after Pence. Hekate Jan 2018 #9
If Pelosi knew, why didn't she scream it from the rooftops? shraby Jan 2018 #10
The takeaway of this for you is really blame Pelosi? Wow, just wow. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2018 #11
Don't think Shraby intends to blame Pelosi triron Jan 2018 #15
You're right, I don't blame Pelosi. shraby Jan 2018 #62
I wonder as well triron Jan 2018 #13
Knowing something is different from proving it in public. Please see my post #18. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #19
+1. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2018 #23
Like the pugs always wait for evidence before they start shrieking about nonexistent basements & Gabi Hayes Jan 2018 #63
here is a link if you really are mystified. FreepFryer Jan 2018 #22
If by now a liberal does not know all about the when and the why of R treason is a mystery! Fred Sanders Jan 2018 #33
I was aware of that. triron Jan 2018 #36
Yup...both being good girls and boys, not making waves. Alice11111 Jan 2018 #27
McConnell Wouldn't Go Along DallasNE Jan 2018 #47
Because it's more effective to whisper it to places like the NYTimes. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #16
Because knowing something is different from proving it. Pelosi maybe knew it by secret documents Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #18
Clearly your statement is correct superpatriotman Jan 2018 #20
Then Republicans scream Fake News NewJeffCT Jan 2018 #29
The text excerpts excerpted as actual text excerpts and not broken images Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #14
The NYTimes article is from 13 months ago. The Dallas News is over a month old. FYI, folks. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #21
Yup? Gonna bake me some cookies FreepFryer Jan 2018 #26
"thanks to changes in campaign finance laws, the political contributions are legal" red dog 1 Jan 2018 #24
Lying Ryan is a treason weasel. gademocrat7 Jan 2018 #28
God, I hate that traitorous f&ucking prick more than ever....! lastlib Jan 2018 #52
lawsuit. Please proceed. n/t librechik Jan 2018 #31
There's a reason Ryan and Turtle bow down to Don. They're just like him. Vinca Jan 2018 #34
This has more info in it than previous things I've read - definitely important RandomAccess Jan 2018 #35
Sounds like Ryan was and still is deeply involved in the conspiracy so I hope he has a good lawyer cstanleytech Jan 2018 #38
Pelosi asked Ryan to ... ananda Jan 2018 #39
Pelosi SHOULD have made a national stink about that. It's too late now. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #40
Impeach Ryan if he runs again and if the DEMS control the House. trueblue2007 Jan 2018 #41
This whole damn party is guilty of collusion. Initech Jan 2018 #42
RICO Time Hassler Jan 2018 #43
Resignin' Ryan C Moon Jan 2018 #44
Let it be!!!!! ailsagirl Jan 2018 #57
Recieving stolen property is a crime. Stryst Jan 2018 #48
Pelosi ASKED him to stop? ASKED? That's it? pangaia Jan 2018 #49
Wisconsonite here -- RYAN no doubt knew of the attempted firing of Mueller last June elfin Jan 2018 #51
Sigh, I just want these people indicted and locked up already. OliverQ Jan 2018 #53
The GOP is the pary of putin Gothmog Jan 2018 #60

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
30. If this was Canada or Western Europe the entire R leadership would be forced to resign by an
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 06:14 PM
Jan 2018

informed public and an alert media.

So in quasi-fascist America, not anytime soon.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
55. Ayup. Thats about the size of things.
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 01:40 PM
Jan 2018

It must be nice to live in a country with an informed public and an alert media.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
56. Right on cue multiple leading politicians have resigned in Ontario, Nova Scotia and federal...
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 01:46 PM
Jan 2018

Over sexual assault allegations.

Oh, Canada...help us!! Like in HELP us!

 

Top-Hat

(11 posts)
61. I think it is significant that Europe and Canada have Parliamentary Systems.
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 05:06 PM
Jan 2018

The U.S. system is Federal and adversarial as laid out in the Constitution. The parliamentary systems have the ability to vote no confidence and bring down a government. The U.S. Constitution does not provide for this, but does require frequent congressional elections. Parliamentary elections are not at fixed intervals and can be called when public opinion is more favorable to the party in power.

Although the Canadians, British and French have their scandals, there is a greater sensitivity the public opinion. This more related to their political cultures, which derive from the structure of their governments. There is thus no real need to invoke fascist comparisons.

BadgerMom

(2,771 posts)
37. This was in the news as early as end of 2016, early 2017.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 06:35 PM
Jan 2018

I agree it's important. Hope that it will be investigated, prosecuted, rectified or stopped from occurring again has long ago vanished for me. The Republican desire for power crushes everything.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
45. Mueller knows this already, from what independent journalists have written. Ryan and McConnell are
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 07:31 PM
Jan 2018

targets. This will be part of the evidence in a RICO charge against the GOP leadership, and it's one of the reasons that Mueller's investigation is so deep and wide. There's the GOP/RICO, there's the Russian mafia, there's the whole money laundering network, there's Trumpy's real estate crimes... there's enough to prosecute over 270 people. When it's reported that this is the biggest criminal investigation in all of US history, there's no joking around.

RVN VET71

(2,692 posts)
54. I want this to be true so badly it hurts
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 12:12 PM
Jan 2018

But I'm almost afraid to think it possible. The entire leadership of the Russian-sucking GOP part of the investigation and vulnerable to indictment? Ryan and McConnell -- along with their troglodytic underlings -- found guilty of raketeering and sentenced to prison? That would be as good as Steve Martin's famously wished-for 31 day orgasm. I only hope it's more likely.

Freethinker65

(10,024 posts)
2. Yep. I remember reading about this.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 04:37 PM
Jan 2018

Ryan, McConnell, and the RNC took the info and ran with it.

This was not your typical oppositional research. This was handed to them and they either knew the why and how and what will you owe for using this, or they did not bother to ask. I am pretty sure they knew it was not from God.

thbobby

(1,474 posts)
4. GOP-Russia Crime Family
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 04:42 PM
Jan 2018

Ryan - "We have to keep this in the family."

GOP is kissing trump's orange ass because they fear him throwing them under the bus when Mueller comes knocking.

It is obvious. GOP and trump colluded with Russian-Putin Organized Crime Syndicate to win in 2016 and probably before.

NRA is part of the syndicate. So are a lot of uber-Rich GOP donors. Mercers for example.

sdfernando

(4,935 posts)
8. If Ryan, or McConnell for that matter,
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 05:19 PM
Jan 2018

think the orange one will not throw them under the bus when things get dicey...well then he is STOOOOPID! Anyone paying attention knows orangeman looks out only for himself.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
12. Well it works both ways
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 05:30 PM
Jan 2018

Ryan and Mitchell ought to throw Cheeto under the bus as well. As a matter of fact they should all do it.
We're gonna witness the self-destruction of the Republican Party, real soon!



BBG

(2,539 posts)
25. Family Messaging
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 05:49 PM
Jan 2018

That comment about keeping it in the family was made after the observation that trump and that CA congressman were getting Putin backing. Seems to me this coulda/shoulda been used in response to the secret society bullshit.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
32. Obama PAC takes Russian supplied into obtained by crime in political ads. Obama refuses to
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 06:16 PM
Jan 2018

condemn! Imagine the fucking media response.

Look no further why the double standard?

SWBTATTReg

(22,133 posts)
6. Traitors all!
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 04:57 PM
Jan 2018

This will never be silenced nor suppressed. There simply is too much out there. Otherwise, why is Mueller taking so long? I imagine perhaps a lot to digest?

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
7. Filthy scum
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 05:07 PM
Jan 2018

These people are scum of the earth. Amoral, greedy scum with the gall to lecture about morality. The whole damned party is rotten to the core. Even those from that party who are not guilty of these vile acts are guilty of sitting idly by while the crimes go on and get covered up. Sickening.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
10. If Pelosi knew, why didn't she scream it from the rooftops?
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 05:23 PM
Jan 2018

If the Dems were doing it, the republicans would make it a mantra.

triron

(22,007 posts)
15. Don't think Shraby intends to blame Pelosi
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 05:33 PM
Jan 2018

just pointing out what the republicans would do if shoe was on other foot.

triron

(22,007 posts)
13. I wonder as well
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 05:31 PM
Jan 2018

Also mystery to me why Obama administration remained mum about Russia-Trump collusion
evidence (which our intelligence had thanks to Europeans). Maybe they just thought Hillary
would win--bad mistake.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
63. Like the pugs always wait for evidence before they start shrieking about nonexistent basements &
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 02:49 AM
Jan 2018

stuff?

When has any consideration for facts stopped them from anything?

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
47. McConnell Wouldn't Go Along
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 07:55 PM
Jan 2018

Obama asked McConnell to sign a joint statement and he refused. Without McConnell's signature Obama felt it would be viewed as Obama attempting to throw the election for Clinton.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,007 posts)
18. Because knowing something is different from proving it. Pelosi maybe knew it by secret documents
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 05:36 PM
Jan 2018

Pelosi may have known the collusion for a fact by way of Intelligence Community documents shown to her in her official capacity and under hard secrecy oaths.

She may not have been able to use that proof in public.

Going forward with sensational allegations that could not be proven in public could very easily backfire and throw a close election the other way, i.e. Hillary losing the popular vote as well as the stolen Electoral College.

So until more is uncovered about the events I do not fault Pelosi.

superpatriotman

(6,249 posts)
20. Clearly your statement is correct
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 05:38 PM
Jan 2018

However it's sometimes hard to give our party the tough love it needs to get the job done.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,007 posts)
14. The text excerpts excerpted as actual text excerpts and not broken images
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 05:32 PM
Jan 2018

Link from the OP: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/us/politics/house-democrats-hacking-dccc.html?mtrref=t.co&gwh=5E35E9FC91408BDA0AD51752E4CA805B&gwt=pay

But there was never anything quite like the 2016 election campaign, when a handful of Democratic House candidates became targets of a Russian influence operation that made thousands of pages of documents stolen by hackers from the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in Washington available to Florida reporters and bloggers.

“It was like I was standing out there naked,” said Annette Taddeo, a Democrat who lost her primary race after secret campaign documents were made public. “I just can’t describe it any other way. Our entire internal strategy plan was made public, and suddenly all this material was out there and could be used against me.”


Ms. Pelosi sent a similar letter in early September to Mr. Ryan. Neither received a response. By October, the Congressional Leadership Fund, a “super PAC” tied to Mr. Ryan, had used the stolen material in another advertisement, attacking Mr. Garcia during the general election in Florida.

AshLee Strong, a spokeswoman for Mr. Ryan, said he did not control how the material was used in the ad, although she did not dispute that the material had been stolen as part of an act of Russian espionage. “Speaker Ryan has said for months that foreign intervention in our elections is unacceptable,” she said in a written statement.

red dog 1

(27,817 posts)
24. "thanks to changes in campaign finance laws, the political contributions are legal"
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 05:42 PM
Jan 2018

(From the OP)

"We have allowed our campaign finance laws to become a strategic threat to our country."

So, Putin proxies/Russian oligarchs like Len Blavatnik broke no laws in 2015-2016 when he
"pumped $6.35 million into GOP political action committees, with millions of dollars going to top Republican leaders"

How the hell are the Democrats going to retake control of Congress if this is allowed to continue?
And if the GOP continues to control Congress after the 2018 elections, how the hell is Drumpf ever going to be impeached?

(This is extremely depressing)

lastlib

(23,247 posts)
52. God, I hate that traitorous f&ucking prick more than ever....!
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 11:27 PM
Jan 2018

Please don't insult the Mustelidae family by comparing Ryan to them.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
35. This has more info in it than previous things I've read - definitely important
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 06:27 PM
Jan 2018

This can't be allowed to continue. Thank God the DNC hired a high-end security specialist.

cstanleytech

(26,294 posts)
38. Sounds like Ryan was and still is deeply involved in the conspiracy so I hope he has a good lawyer
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 06:38 PM
Jan 2018

as the statute of limitations does not begin counting down until he is no longer involved in the conspiracy.

Initech

(100,080 posts)
42. This whole damn party is guilty of collusion.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 07:07 PM
Jan 2018

It's not just Trump - and I've been saying this for a long time. The whole party banded together to embrace Russia and take down Hillary. And it's not going to take a Mueller to figure that out.

Hassler

(3,379 posts)
43. RICO Time
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 07:29 PM
Jan 2018

McConartist knew, Lyin rAyn knew. They ALL knew. The entire GOP is complicit. Lock. Them. All. Up.

Stryst

(714 posts)
48. Recieving stolen property is a crime.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 09:14 PM
Jan 2018

If all the bullshit over the last couple of years regarding intellectual property have taught us anything, it's that the legal view is that information is a possession.

So Ms. Pelosi "asked him to stop". Why didn't she just report that Mr. Ryan was committing a crime? If I can have my phone bricked because I changed the hardware myself, why did Mr. Ryan's crime result in a mildly worded letter?

elfin

(6,262 posts)
51. Wisconsonite here -- RYAN no doubt knew of the attempted firing of Mueller last June
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 10:25 PM
Jan 2018

He ignored it. How did he know? Good buddy Priebus (also Wisconsin) probably told him before he (allegedly) told Mueller. Walker, Ryan and Priebus are long-time teammates to destroy Wisconsin and then on to the nation.

They are tight - according to some of my very few connected Repug friends who have been active at high levels for many years. These friends ( Romney types) are so plugged in that their kids are in on the big business deals (ex. FoxConn) in my formerly great state.

Ryan just may be the worst of the lot. If it can be proved that he knew for a fact back in June that Dump tried to obstruct by firing Mueller, then he is a part of it.

I always knew Ryan was bad, but the last few years have revealed he is nasty to his very sanctimonious core. Plus now he has power he never had before.

Working here to see him derailed, but his money runs wide and deep.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
53. Sigh, I just want these people indicted and locked up already.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 11:39 PM
Jan 2018

I'm so fed up with the hourly barrage of treason, corruption, and criminal behavior by these traitors with zero consequences.

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