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applegrove

(118,683 posts)
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 06:48 PM Jan 2018

New Report Says Dutch Have Absolute Proof Russia Was Behind 2016 Election Hacking

KEVIN DRUM at Mother Jones

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/01/new-report-says-dutch-have-absolute-proof-russia-was-behind-2016-election-hacking/

"SNIP..........

The Dutch newspaper de Volkskrant (“The People’s Paper”) has quite the intriguing story today. Apparently AIVD, the Dutch equivalent of the CIA, broke into the computer systems of a nondescript building in Moscow a few years ago. They had no idea what was there, but eventually they figured it out. It was the workplace of Cozy Bear, Russia’s most infamous hacking group:

That’s how the AIVD becomes witness to the Russian hackers harassing and penetrating the leaders of the Democratic Party, transferring thousands of emails and documents. It won’t be the last time they alert their American counterparts. And yet, it will be months before the United States realize what this warning means: that with these hacks the Russians have interfered with the American elections. And the AIVD hackers have seen it happening before their very eyes.

….The Cozy Bear hackers are in a space in a university building near the Red Square. The group’s composition varies, usually about ten people are active. The entrance is in a curved hallway. A security camera records who enters and who exits the room. The AIVD hackers manage to gain access to that camera. Not only can the intelligence service now see what the Russians are doing, they can also see who’s doing it. Pictures are taken of every visitor. In Zoetermeer, these pictures are analyzed and compared to known Russian spies.

….Access to Cozy Bear turns out to be a goldmine for the Dutch hackers. For years, it supplies them with valuable intelligence about targets, methods and the interests of the highest ranking officials of the Russian security service [which they share with the United States]….In return, the Dutch are given knowledge, technology and intelligence. According to one American source, in late 2015, the NSA hackers manage to penetrate the mobile devices of several high ranking Russian intelligence officers. They learn that right before a hacking attack, the Russians search the internet for any news about the oncoming attack.


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New Report Says Dutch Have Absolute Proof Russia Was Behind 2016 Election Hacking (Original Post) applegrove Jan 2018 OP
K&R!!!! Mahalo, apple! Cha Jan 2018 #1
Hey Cha! applegrove Jan 2018 #3
This is Amazing! Cha Jan 2018 #5
God bless and save our ALLIES!! RESPECT nt Leghorn21 Jan 2018 #2
SEND THE INFO TO MUELLER !!! trueblue2007 Jan 2018 #4
How do you think he has gotten half his info? pangaia Jan 2018 #21
Yes, not via the Justice Department! LiberalLovinLug Jan 2018 #28
K&R. dchill Jan 2018 #6
K&R Scurrilous Jan 2018 #7
We need all the help we can get, because we obviously aren't going to save ourselves. smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #8
I wonder if Carter Page, Manafort, Flynn, Ivanka, or that Blackwater guy are on the pictures? Botany Jan 2018 #9
I can think of a few potential suspects Generic Brad Jan 2018 #13
we also need absolute proof of conspiracy. triron Jan 2018 #10
Whats to keep Schneiderman from indicting him, and or others? Gabi Hayes Jan 2018 #19
Not sure. What is the 'supremacy clause' that Abramson talks about? triron Jan 2018 #24
The only way to impeachment of the the traitor in chief is to replace as many GOPers with Dems as is Farmer-Rick Jan 2018 #22
Whether he can be indicted isn't as settled as all that-- dawg day Jan 2018 #27
... orangecrush Jan 2018 #11
............ bdamomma Jan 2018 #12
... orangecrush Jan 2018 #14
psst..... bdamomma Jan 2018 #16
Thanks! orangecrush Jan 2018 #17
Trump, the republican party and Fox"news" are all guilty as hell for workinclasszero Jan 2018 #15
+1 orangecrush Jan 2018 #18
One if my good Nederlander friends is always telling me the Dutch are the best at everything,. pangaia Jan 2018 #20
It's good to have friends. I hope we listwn to thwm, and help them in turn. nt Hekate Jan 2018 #23
My take-away here is the Intelligence Community was notified and allowed it to continue, NBachers Jan 2018 #25
One of the few magazines I have trusted since the 1980's. raven mad Jan 2018 #26

Botany

(70,516 posts)
9. I wonder if Carter Page, Manafort, Flynn, Ivanka, or that Blackwater guy are on the pictures?
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 07:52 PM
Jan 2018

Last edited Sat Jan 27, 2018, 01:04 PM - Edit history (1)

Fucking treason weasels.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
13. I can think of a few potential suspects
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 09:05 PM
Jan 2018

Dana Rohrabacher. Jill Stein. Mike Flynn. Carter Page. A contingent from the NRA. Weren't they all skulking around Moscow in 2015?

triron

(22,007 posts)
10. we also need absolute proof of conspiracy.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 07:52 PM
Jan 2018

Then, maybe (and I emphasize MAYBE), Trump would be removable.
According to Abramson this whole investigation may just be a 'dog and pony show' since
(evidently) Trump can't be indicted (and repukes won't impeach).

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
19. Whats to keep Schneiderman from indicting him, and or others?
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 09:25 PM
Jan 2018

Will Mueller, or others, stop him?

Nowhere in the constitution does it explicitly prohibit a sitting president from being indicted

Everything else you read is like interpreting the Bible; it carries no legal weight, despite all the blowhardian posturing

Strict construction for the strict constructionists!

triron

(22,007 posts)
24. Not sure. What is the 'supremacy clause' that Abramson talks about?
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 09:40 PM
Jan 2018

Got the impression that this 'clause' would pretty much eliminate that possibility as well.

Farmer-Rick

(10,185 posts)
22. The only way to impeachment of the the traitor in chief is to replace as many GOPers with Dems as is
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 09:31 PM
Jan 2018

humanly possible and even then you may get a Nancy Pelosi saying impeachment is off the table.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
27. Whether he can be indicted isn't as settled as all that--
Sat Jan 27, 2018, 12:31 AM
Jan 2018

But he CAN be indicted after he leaves office-- both federal and state.
And he can be named an unindicted co-conspirator in the meantime.

Can NY state indict him and seal it till he's out?

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
15. Trump, the republican party and Fox"news" are all guilty as hell for
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 09:14 PM
Jan 2018
TREASON!

Murdoch, Trump and the head of the RNC should be doing a frog march in FBI handcuffs right now!

If there was any justice left in this country.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
20. One if my good Nederlander friends is always telling me the Dutch are the best at everything,.
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 09:27 PM
Jan 2018

The invented Santa Claus(sshh), Language, America would not exist without the Dutch. He always speaks of Nederland as the New World and America as the Old World. I must say, he is not too far off.

IN FACT, in March last year when I was in Amsterdam, Den Haag and Rotterdam, he told me something about the Dutch having info on the US election.. something like that....... I forget just what....

NBachers

(17,120 posts)
25. My take-away here is the Intelligence Community was notified and allowed it to continue,
Fri Jan 26, 2018, 09:57 PM
Jan 2018

therefore permitting Russia to hack & sabotage our election; steering it to a trump/republican traitor victory. They are as guilty of treason as the republican party, ¿no?

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