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KEVIN DRUM at Mother Jones
https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/01/new-report-says-dutch-have-absolute-proof-russia-was-behind-2016-election-hacking/
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The Dutch newspaper de Volkskrant (The Peoples Paper) has quite the intriguing story today. Apparently AIVD, the Dutch equivalent of the CIA, broke into the computer systems of a nondescript building in Moscow a few years ago. They had no idea what was there, but eventually they figured it out. It was the workplace of Cozy Bear, Russias most infamous hacking group:
Thats how the AIVD becomes witness to the Russian hackers harassing and penetrating the leaders of the Democratic Party, transferring thousands of emails and documents. It wont be the last time they alert their American counterparts. And yet, it will be months before the United States realize what this warning means: that with these hacks the Russians have interfered with the American elections. And the AIVD hackers have seen it happening before their very eyes.
.The Cozy Bear hackers are in a space in a university building near the Red Square. The groups composition varies, usually about ten people are active. The entrance is in a curved hallway. A security camera records who enters and who exits the room. The AIVD hackers manage to gain access to that camera. Not only can the intelligence service now see what the Russians are doing, they can also see whos doing it. Pictures are taken of every visitor. In Zoetermeer, these pictures are analyzed and compared to known Russian spies.
.Access to Cozy Bear turns out to be a goldmine for the Dutch hackers. For years, it supplies them with valuable intelligence about targets, methods and the interests of the highest ranking officials of the Russian security service [which they share with the United States]
.In return, the Dutch are given knowledge, technology and intelligence. According to one American source, in late 2015, the NSA hackers manage to penetrate the mobile devices of several high ranking Russian intelligence officers. They learn that right before a hacking attack, the Russians search the internet for any news about the oncoming attack.
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Cha
(297,306 posts)Cha
(297,306 posts)Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)trueblue2007
(17,228 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)dchill
(38,503 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Thank you AIVD!
Botany
(70,516 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 27, 2018, 01:04 PM - Edit history (1)
Fucking treason weasels.
Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)Dana Rohrabacher. Jill Stein. Mike Flynn. Carter Page. A contingent from the NRA. Weren't they all skulking around Moscow in 2015?
triron
(22,007 posts)Then, maybe (and I emphasize MAYBE), Trump would be removable.
According to Abramson this whole investigation may just be a 'dog and pony show' since
(evidently) Trump can't be indicted (and repukes won't impeach).
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Will Mueller, or others, stop him?
Nowhere in the constitution does it explicitly prohibit a sitting president from being indicted
Everything else you read is like interpreting the Bible; it carries no legal weight, despite all the blowhardian posturing
Strict construction for the strict constructionists!
triron
(22,007 posts)Got the impression that this 'clause' would pretty much eliminate that possibility as well.
Farmer-Rick
(10,185 posts)humanly possible and even then you may get a Nancy Pelosi saying impeachment is off the table.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)But he CAN be indicted after he leaves office-- both federal and state.
And he can be named an unindicted co-conspirator in the meantime.
Can NY state indict him and seal it till he's out?
orangecrush
(19,572 posts)bdamomma
(63,875 posts)orangecrush
(19,572 posts)bdamomma
(63,875 posts)I like your poster.
orangecrush
(19,572 posts)I love the old ww2 posters!
(from our side.)
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Murdoch, Trump and the head of the RNC should be doing a frog march in FBI handcuffs right now!
If there was any justice left in this country.
orangecrush
(19,572 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)The invented Santa Claus(sshh), Language, America would not exist without the Dutch. He always speaks of Nederland as the New World and America as the Old World. I must say, he is not too far off.
IN FACT, in March last year when I was in Amsterdam, Den Haag and Rotterdam, he told me something about the Dutch having info on the US election.. something like that....... I forget just what....
Hekate
(90,714 posts)NBachers
(17,120 posts)therefore permitting Russia to hack & sabotage our election; steering it to a trump/republican traitor victory. They are as guilty of treason as the republican party, ¿no?
raven mad
(4,940 posts)Still do.