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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 06:58 PM Jul 2012

The sound of America's Infrastructure falling apart

DOT chief: Deteriorating roads could lead to more freak accidents
By JOEL MORENO, KOMO-TV
Updated 12:29 a.m., Tuesday, July 24, 2012

SEATTLE -- A piece of deteriorating I-5 pavement shot through the air and hit a car this weekend, and the state's transportation chief says it might not be the last time we see such a freak accident.
Henry Jessop and his family were headed down I-5 near Northgate on Saturday when a brick-sized concrete panel came off the road, crashed through car's windshield and hit Jessop.
"The rock hit me so hard in the chest, it literally took my breath away," Jessop said.
Secretary of Transportation Paula Hammond said road crews built much of the interstate in the 1960s, and more than 50 years of heavy use has taken its toll. Hammond said the agency doesn't have the staff or cash to fix everything that's falling apart, and the statewide to-do list just keeps getting bigger.
"As our transportation system has more wear and tear on it, and as we go longer without revenue dollars to just take care of the system that we have, we're unfortunately going to see more of this kind of thing," she said.


Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo/article/DOT-chief-Deteriorating-roads-could-lead-to-more-3729575.php

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The sound of America's Infrastructure falling apart (Original Post) n2doc Jul 2012 OP
infrastructure repair could be a big democratic agenda - if dems ever get around to having one nt msongs Jul 2012 #1
It'll all be done by workers from China. Zalatix Jul 2012 #2
Apparently no U.S. steel firm bid on the Bay Bridge project KamaAina Jul 2012 #7
Even then it could have been manufactured here. Sirveri Jul 2012 #20
Maybe we all should just stop working and let them get the Chinese to do it all... L0oniX Jul 2012 #14
You mean we haven't already? (Hint: Citizens United) Zalatix Jul 2012 #15
Wasn't infrasructure repair/improvment part of Obama's Jobs bill that was GOP blocked? dballance Jul 2012 #5
The $100 Billion Transportation bill finally passed in June bhikkhu Jul 2012 #9
+1 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #16
As the roads deteriorate... Speck Tater Jul 2012 #3
Well, since the top 1% jet around in Helicopters and such.... WCGreen Jul 2012 #4
K&R Zyzafyx Jul 2012 #6
Neil deGrasse Tyson's view of the US idiocracy and our crumbling infrastructure DreamGypsy Jul 2012 #8
Wish I could rec your response. longship Jul 2012 #10
thanks for the article link! dixiegrrrrl Jul 2012 #13
Thanks for the posting of the article. n/t MuseRider Jul 2012 #19
Just heard the other day . . . Brigid Jul 2012 #11
$2T - $7T in infrastructure spending NEEDED yesterday. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #12
Some Davis-Bacon wages would get the economy going..... Edweird Jul 2012 #17
This is a great thread. Kick nt Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #18
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
7. Apparently no U.S. steel firm bid on the Bay Bridge project
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:25 PM
Jul 2012

our steel industry has been reduced to that sad of a state.

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
20. Even then it could have been manufactured here.
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:24 AM
Jul 2012

They 'saved' something like 450 Million by having the modular sections built in China and shipped in segments over the Ocean.

I say 'saved' because that's money that could have went straight back into the domestic economy and returned via the tax base. But I guess that's not the point of infrastructure spending.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
14. Maybe we all should just stop working and let them get the Chinese to do it all...
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:24 PM
Jul 2012

and even run our government. WOW! Yea ...lets outsource our own US government.

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)
9. The $100 Billion Transportation bill finally passed in June
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 08:04 PM
Jul 2012

...with strong bipartisan support, after years of efforts. Note that neither side made much of it and it hardly earned a mention in the news.

Of course much more is needed, but it'd be nice if what was done got some notice.

 

Speck Tater

(10,618 posts)
3. As the roads deteriorate...
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:09 PM
Jul 2012

... I guess we'll just have to get used to driving more slowly and steering around the sink holes.

But every problem brings with it an opportunity! Somebody will cash in by selling maps showing alternate routes around fallen bridges and washed out stretches of road. Eventually a whole new industry will spring up: cross country travel guides. Like the old wagon masters, they can lead a group of motorists to their destination by the safest and most efficient route, using satellite maps to keep up with which roads are still passable, which require four-wheel drive, and which should be avoided completely due either to impassable roads, or to lack of local law enforcement and danger from highwaymen.

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
4. Well, since the top 1% jet around in Helicopters and such....
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:10 PM
Jul 2012

They could give a shit about some father driving his family around and dodging chunks of concrete falling off of bridges that haven't had any maintenance in decades.

But we built a whole mess of stuff over there in IRAQ and gave millionaires the wherewithal to end up billionaires while the rest of us were told to tighten up your belts.

Fuck...

I'm suprised there ain't a real revolution brewing somewhere...

DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
8. Neil deGrasse Tyson's view of the US idiocracy and our crumbling infrastructure
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 07:51 PM
Jul 2012

Astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson is the Director of the Hayden Planetarium at the American Museum of Natural History in New York City and the recipient of fourteen honorary doctorates and the NASA Distinguished Service Medal. An section of his latest book Space Chronicles: Facing the Ultimate Frontier was recently excerpted in Natural History magazine.

http://www.naturalhistorymag.com/perspectives/012148/by-the-numbers

The article presents many interesting perspectives. Here is one brief section particularly germane to the topic of this thread:

What else do we know about China? It has nearly 1.5 billion people—one-fifth of the world’s population. Do you know how big a billion is? In China it means that if you’re one in a million, there are 1,500 other people just like you.

Not only that, the upper quartile of China—the smartest 25 percent—outnumbers the entire population of the United States. Lose sleep over that one. You’ve seen the numbers: China graduates about half a million scientists and engineers a year; we graduate about 70,000—much less than the ratio of our populations would indicate. A talk-show host in Salt Lake City recently asked me about those num­bers, and I said, “Well, we graduate half a million of something a year: lawyers.” So the guy asked me what that says about America, and I said, “It tells me we are going into the future fully prepared to litigate over the crumbling of our infra­structure.” That’s what the future of America will be.


I strongly recommend reading the whole article. Watch out for falling asphalt.



dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
13. thanks for the article link!
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:09 PM
Jul 2012

Last edited Tue Jul 24, 2012, 10:27 PM - Edit history (1)

This part of what he said is so perfect:

So we’re genetically connected to each other; we’re molecularly connected to other objects in the universe; and we’re atomically con­nected to all matter in the cosmos.

For me, that is a profound thought. It is even spiritual. Science, enabled by engineering, empowered by NASA, tells us not only that we are in the universe but that the universe is in us.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
11. Just heard the other day . . .
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 08:20 PM
Jul 2012

That the bill for getting our infrastructure up to an acceptable level, let alone improve it, is $2 trillion. That's right, $2 trillion.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
12. $2T - $7T in infrastructure spending NEEDED yesterday.
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 08:27 PM
Jul 2012

That's just for fixing and upgrading to current standards of what we have left.

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