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Maraya1969

(22,483 posts)
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 10:45 PM Jan 2018

Pfizer fires 300 Scientists, stops research into Parkinson's and Alzheimer's and sets up stock

buy back after they make 5 billion from Trump tax cut




After pocketing a $5 billion tax cut from Trump, Pfizer just KILLED ALL of its Alzheimer's and Parkinson's research.
They did what we all predicted, fired 300 scientists and used the money to buy back their own stock.




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Pfizer fires 300 Scientists, stops research into Parkinson's and Alzheimer's and sets up stock (Original Post) Maraya1969 Jan 2018 OP
More to follow? lunasun Jan 2018 #1
Is ... there an article? Or just one dude tweeting it out? mr_lebowski Jan 2018 #2
Sad but true dhol82 Jan 2018 #5
It's true. Here's an article about it: The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #6
It is true, but not quite as presented in the OP. The layoffs are occurring in neuroscience group still_one Jan 2018 #10
They are not diverting assets to other areas. They fired 300 people, mostly scientists. Maraya1969 Jan 2018 #11
Because they can't use that expertise in other areas. That jobs would be created by the tax cuts still_one Jan 2018 #16
Thank you LittleGirl Jan 2018 #20
Derek Lowe did a heads-up on January 5 jmowreader Jan 2018 #18
MASSIVE GREED! There are no words to describe this corporate filth. democratisphere Jan 2018 #3
Trickle kills Matthew28 Jan 2018 #4
Pfizer now has so much cash that its most profitable path is to focus on cash management NCjack Jan 2018 #7
Research is effectively more expensive now with the tax cuts unblock Jan 2018 #8
That is an interesting point. Thanks Maraya1969 Jan 2018 #13
If government gives block grants for research that covers the costs then corporations... nolabels Jan 2018 #17
The reason Pfizer is stopping its Alzheimer and Parkinson research is because bapineuzunab failed still_one Jan 2018 #9
Exactly. Tax cuts don't create jobs. That's the big lie. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #12
Why did they stop Parkinson's when it was Alzheimer's that failed? Maraya1969 Jan 2018 #14
They stopped it because the were losing money for years in that area without results. As for the still_one Jan 2018 #15
Also pharma companies are concerned about cuts to Medicare and Medicaid making bettyellen Jan 2018 #19
I suspect you are correct Betty still_one Jan 2018 #21
It seems been explained to me its very hard to study drugs for prevention bettyellen Jan 2018 #22
sorry to hear that still_one Jan 2018 #23
Yeah. Thats what an actual researcher told me at a party of a friend - bettyellen Jan 2018 #24
Kick ck4829 Jan 2018 #25

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
1. More to follow?
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 10:51 PM
Jan 2018

It's really alarming to see such a large pharmaceutical company deciding to abandon research into the brain and central nervous system," James Beck, chief scientific officer at the Parkinson's Foundation, told me Monday. "It's telling for how difficult it is to do research into neurodegenerative diseases."

Of even greater concern, he said, is that "having Pfizer exit does not augur well for what other companies are likely to do."

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
2. Is ... there an article? Or just one dude tweeting it out?
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 10:52 PM
Jan 2018

THIS ... is a pretty big story if true (not saying I doubt it, but ... an article would be handy to show to people).

Do other drug companies have research still going on into these illnesses, I hope?

still_one

(92,219 posts)
10. It is true, but not quite as presented in the OP. The layoffs are occurring in neuroscience group
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 11:13 PM
Jan 2018

because the clinical trials have not been successful, and they are reallocating resources to other diseases that have more success of coming to market

The tax cuts that were sold to the public were always a lie that they would create jobs. Jobs are created by demand for a product or services

There is no doubt that the tax cut will result in corporate bonuses, share buybacks, and dividend increases, not job creations

still_one

(92,219 posts)
16. Because they can't use that expertise in other areas. That jobs would be created by the tax cuts
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 11:55 PM
Jan 2018

was a lie perpetuated by the republicans. Tax cuts have never created new jobs. That isn't how jobs are created.

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
20. Thank you
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 01:25 AM
Jan 2018

Hubby works in Pharma and I asked him about this news. He said the same. Their trial failed so they will reassign or lay off those scientists who can go elsewhere. Trial failures are huge losses for companies and our government should help fund these projects for the greater good, but we have 45 now. We’re all screwed.

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
18. Derek Lowe did a heads-up on January 5
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 12:48 AM
Jan 2018
http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2018/01/05/cutbacks-at-pfizer

Derek is infamous for his chlorine trifluoride blog post...

http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2008/02/26/sand_wont_save_you_this_time

The compound also a stronger oxidizing agent than oxygen itself, which also puts it into rare territory. That means that it can potentially go on to “burn” things that you would normally consider already burnt to hell and gone, and a practical consequence of that is that it’ll start roaring reactions with things like bricks and asbestos tile. It’s been used in the semiconductor industry to clean oxides off of surfaces, at which activity it no doubt excels.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
7. Pfizer now has so much cash that its most profitable path is to focus on cash management
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 11:00 PM
Jan 2018

and to jettison risky R&D. Probably not bad enough to change enough deplorable minds to dump Donnie "the chin" (leader of the GOP mafia).

unblock

(52,253 posts)
8. Research is effectively more expensive now with the tax cuts
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 11:05 PM
Jan 2018

If taxes are 35%, then the government is effectively covering 35% if your losses on research.

If taxes are 20%, the government is only covering 20% of the losses.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
17. If government gives block grants for research that covers the costs then corporations...
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 12:32 AM
Jan 2018

pocket the profits. Mostly the public gets screwed anyway the ball bounces.

The fools who think they are in charge are too dumb to be anti-science, they are actually just pro-stupid

still_one

(92,219 posts)
9. The reason Pfizer is stopping its Alzheimer and Parkinson research is because bapineuzunab failed
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 11:05 PM
Jan 2018

help patients with mild to moderate Alzheimer’s in its second round of clinical trials. They were working with Johnson and Johnson on this, and the layoffs are directly related that, not to the tax cuts.

They are still funding R&D programs for other diseases

As for the share buy back and the dividend increase, that is related to the tax cut, and there is no doubt that a lot of companies will be doing similar things.

The lie that was being sold to the public was that the tax cuts would motivate companies to create new jobs. The fact is that jobs are not created by tax cuts, but demand for their products or services

Maraya1969

(22,483 posts)
14. Why did they stop Parkinson's when it was Alzheimer's that failed?
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 11:36 PM
Jan 2018

And why did they cut 300 research jobs? They can't research other things?

Or, how much more money are they making by cutting those jobs?

still_one

(92,219 posts)
15. They stopped it because the were losing money for years in that area without results. As for the
Sun Jan 28, 2018, 11:50 PM
Jan 2018

layoffs, they were from the neuroscience division where that work was being done, and when they cancelled the research, the people involved in that research were affected.

Tax cuts or no tax cuts, when a company cancels a project, people within that project are vulnerable to layoffs. Why they didn't move those people to other areas? It wasn't because of the tax cuts, I suspect it was because they didn't find a good fit for them in other areas, or they had no openings in the other areas.

I know from personal experience when I was a clinical chemist that is how things went down. Later in my career when I became a software engineer, same thing. If I am on a project and they cancel that project, I am subject to a layoff unless I can find an opening in another project


 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
19. Also pharma companies are concerned about cuts to Medicare and Medicaid making
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 01:18 AM
Jan 2018

Meds for diseases of the aged less profitable. It is about their bottom line. And yeah, anyone who argued that the tax cuts would do anything for the common good was always full of shit. They’re working on new pain killers.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
22. It seems been explained to me its very hard to study drugs for prevention
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 04:07 AM
Jan 2018

Let alone once they feel dementia had begun. Expensive, time consuming and they need better tests to predict who will get it in order to focus those studies. Depressing, my dad had Parkinson’s and Mom has Alzheimer’s.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
24. Yeah. Thats what an actual researcher told me at a party of a friend -
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 01:19 PM
Jan 2018

She said it’s inherently difficult to conduct studies. Each participant needs another one in the form of a friend or loved one who they see often and can vouch for their mental state or acuity. Daunting.

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