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Cher, Snoop, etc. and the job goes to...Hillary!
Cant wait til the video is up! Hes going to lose his mind.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Cha
(297,285 posts)another thread.. "tweet on that, mf"
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)Grassy Knoll
(10,118 posts)nolabear
(41,984 posts)Takket
(21,575 posts)I'm whining
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)Because the electoral college cheats Californians when it comes to voting for the president.
No other reason!
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Sophia4
(3,515 posts)The three million votes that Hillary won in the popular vote count and that Trump did not win, many of them if not all of them were in California. If California's votes counted as much per vote as the votes of the rest of the "whole, huge country out there," Hillary would be president.
The electoral college does not represent the popular vote. It represents one elector for each member of the House of Representatives plus 2 electors for the 2 senators from each state.
Because California is such a populous state, the most populous in the Union, we, like all the states with tiny populations, for example, Montana, Vermont (less than 600,000 residents), Wyoming, etc. and all the states with smaller populations than California have only 2 senators to represent our 39 million population. And thus, we are massively shortchanged, massively cheated when the seats on the electoral college are handed out.
California is a liberal state. The Republicans ran our state into debt and did not manage it well. Therefore, I don't expect any Republicans to win statewide elections for quite a while. We are proudly blue and solvent. Proudly blue and solvent and I mean very proud of it.
But we would like it if our votes were worth as much in presidential elections as the votes of all other Americans.
The president is supposed to represent and be there for all Americans. Except that if the president were there for Californians, her name right now would be Hillary Clinton because our votes put Hillary over the top in the popular vote.
It is utterly undemocratic that we still after more than 2 centuries have an UNDEMOCRATIC electoral college rather than a directly elected president. There is no excuse.
The electoral college was the invention of men trying to protect masters in slave states without letting the slaves vote. The electoral college may have made sense when the electors had to ride horses to cast votes in the assembly of the electoral college because, not only were there no cell phones or computers, there were no telephones, no shortwave radios, no telegrams, no planes, no cars, no buses, no trains and only a specific number of electors could meet to vote for the president. Even counting votes was a manual job back then.
The electoral college makes no sense. It has twice in this century inflicted a president who lost the popular vote on our country. GET RID OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
It is an anachronism that makes no sense.
I could go through the numbers for you here, but I've done some of it before.
The electoral college cheats California and in so doing, cheats all Americans.
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Sophia4
(3,515 posts)Twice in 17 years, we have been cheated in that the president who was inaugurated was not the president elected by the majority of the people.
That is not democracy.
It's great that you live in Illinois where your vote counts. I live in California. My vote doesn't count in presidential elections. Nor do the votes of many Californians.
If our votes counted as much as the votes of voters in states like Illinois, Hillary Clinton would be president today.
That should make a difference.
My attitude is about injustice.
We in California are discriminated against when it comes to counting the votes for president based on the population of our state. If we were discriminated against based on our race, our age, our gender, the laws would be changed. The US would amend the Constitution. But because the discrimination against us as individuals, the inequality we face as individuals, is based on geography and the population of our state, factors over which we have no more control than we do over our race, gender or age, we are discriminated against. And Democrats in other states tell us to get over it. Would Democrats in other states tell us to "get over it" if the discrimination against us were based on race, gender or age? I think not.
I think that just as white people who discriminate and gerrymander against racial minorities in their states don't like to hear from those who are discriminated against based on race, people who live in less populated states do not like to hear from Californians who are discriminated against in presidential elections based on the size of the population of their state.
It's no better to discriminate against Californians in presidential elections with the electoral college than it is to discriminate against racial minorities, the elderly or women in elections. Same principle. Same discrimination. Same distortion of the outcome of the election. Same unfairness.
And I will continue to write about this because it is a major, very important issue of justice and democracy. How can we criticize other countries for being undemocratic when our presidential elections are so undemocratic? Sheer hypocrisy.
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LisaM
(27,813 posts)She has a wicked sense of humor.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Tess49
(1,580 posts)Ohiogal
(32,005 posts)JohnnyLib2
(11,212 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)I like how DJ Khaled starting getting into it
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Kath2
(3,074 posts)Popular vote winner by millions, HRC!
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Love it.
Won popular vote by millions.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)Thats is some funny shit though
Rorey
(8,445 posts)It was great.
jalan48
(13,870 posts)HipChick
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msongs
(67,413 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Julian Englis
(2,309 posts)Stars he wished he could be bigly important instead of being Putin's puppet/
nolabear
(41,984 posts)And listen to them cheer. 😄
Cha
(297,285 posts)Huge cheers!
Most qualified presidential candidate in history.
We need Hillary to keep speaking out. Popular vote winner by millions.
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)I absolutely love this. She is phenomenal.