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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 03:41 AM Jan 2018

***Joe Kennedy will deliver his speech from a Vocational Technical High School in Fall River, MA***

No, it won't match the glamor of the background behind DT.

Yes, he will be in a room full of people who want to hear him and who represent REAL America.

Great choice, Joe!

http://www.heraldnews.com/news/20180127/livin-and-dion-fall-river-perfect-backdrop-for-kennedy-response

We are the struggle.

Fall River is one of those left-behind places, one of those forgotten, unfashionable places, one of those American places that is neither New York City nor some quiet little suburb, nor some farm town. We are not igniting any national trends. We are, at best, the subject of occasional news stories which remind us either than we are a “former mill town,” or that we are at the “epicenter of the opioid crisis.” Neither term is meant as a compliment, just a surface reminder that we are defined by the worst of our problems.

SNIP

It is significant that Kennedy chooses to speak, not from one of Fall River’s worst neighborhoods, but from a school that thrives on work and hope, a school where tax money isn’t “wasted,” where the much-reviled “political correctness” puts wrenches in the hands of girls, where immigrant parents get the chance to see their kids climb above menial work.

Trump will stand behind the podium. Kennedy will stand in the fire, among the children of working people, among the children of immigrants, among the children of the poor, in a government-run school that gives out education without thought to wealth, or social class, or color.

This, we have been told, is “entitlement.” This, we have been told, is “government indoctrination” and lazy unionized teachers. This, we have been told, should be swept away, and you should be left with a privatized education that is only as good as your parents can buy. The poor, who have nothing, must give up still more, we are told.

It’s the perfect place in the perfect town at the perfect moment to stand in the fire.

The made-up culture wars are raging over prayers and flags and Confederate statues and Christmas, and all that overshadows some kid learning to fix air conditioners, or learning to cook.

Fall River will lend Joe Kennedy this stage, this place to stand.

Roar, young lion, roar.


http://www.heraldnews.com/news/20180126/rep-kennedy-will-deliver-state-of-union-response-from-diman

Kennedy said Rep. Nancy Pelosi, the House minority leader, approached him a week ago and asked him to make the speech. He has given it a lot of thought, but he hasn’t yet put anything on paper, Kennedy said.

“My job in this is to try to articulate a Democratic vision for our country, one we can all share in,” he said. “I’ll pose the question on whether this administration has been good for this country.”

He realizes it could be an uphill battle, Kennedy said. He noted that the Democrats were beaten across the country in the last general election.

“I understand and appreciate the fact that I’m in the minority party in Congress,” he said.

“I expect to put some decisions he and his administration have made in context to the needs of the county and to lay out another vision.”


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Here he is introducing Senator Elizabeth Warren at the convention:

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***Joe Kennedy will deliver his speech from a Vocational Technical High School in Fall River, MA*** (Original Post) pnwmom Jan 2018 OP
Sounds like the perfect place to Cha Jan 2018 #1
I knew I didn't want him just sitting in a room talking to a camera -- as has happened pnwmom Jan 2018 #6
Yes! the first Democdratic rebuttal in Cha Jan 2018 #7
Yes. A spark of insight into what makes a good speech. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #12
I really wish him well. smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #2
Me, too. I'm going to skip DT's awful speech and just tune in for Joe's. n/t pnwmom Jan 2018 #3
Speech? njcpa1978 Jan 2018 #15
Just a bit of trivia ... NanceGreggs Jan 2018 #4
LOL. I knew the name sounded familiar. pnwmom Jan 2018 #5
I've always been fascinated .. NanceGreggs Jan 2018 #8
Me, too! I've read the factual books, fictional books, saw one movie. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #14
Yes. NanceGreggs Jan 2018 #17
I've never gotten that involved sarah FAILIN Jan 2018 #18
Oh....too involved to get into in a post, really. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #21
Me too...I have tried to convince hubs to go to the house...but he is afraid of ghosts. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #19
Oh, yeah. I've been fixated on that case for years. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #13
I don't think she did it. I think there was someone else involved. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #20
K & R SunSeeker Jan 2018 #9
Thanks, SunSeeker! pnwmom Jan 2018 #10
Thanks for the OP. Looking forward to hearing Joe Kennedy. SunSeeker Jan 2018 #11
K&R stonecutter357 Jan 2018 #16

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
6. I knew I didn't want him just sitting in a room talking to a camera -- as has happened
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 04:27 AM
Jan 2018

in the past.

This choice of location seems brilliant. I hope it's a sign of good things to come.

Cha

(297,307 posts)
7. Yes! the first Democdratic rebuttal in
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 04:39 AM
Jan 2018

8 years.

The repubs had some disasters during President Obama's years.

Spewing their ugly lies.

njcpa1978

(114 posts)
15. Speech?
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 06:05 AM
Jan 2018

An hour of poorly read lies with a contorted view of the first year in hell and a vomit inducing view of the future. The only glimmer of enjoyment will be the accounts of where he went off script. I couldn't even watch it with the sound off.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
4. Just a bit of trivia ...
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 04:07 AM
Jan 2018

Fall River was the home of Lizzie Borden. The house where she allegedly killed her parents is now a bed-and-breakfast. The house she bought when she inherited their money is also in Fall River, where she lived until her death in 1921.

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
8. I've always been fascinated ..
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 04:41 AM
Jan 2018

... with the Lizzie Borden case, and I've read everything I can get my hands about her. So when I see the name Fall River, I immediately think of Lizzie B.

The house she lived and died in after her acquittal, which she called Maplecroft, is currently for sale. The previous owner had the house painstakingly restored to what it would have looked like when Lizzie purchased it. It's absolutely gorgeous - you can Google it and see photos on the real estate broker's listing.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
14. Me, too! I've read the factual books, fictional books, saw one movie.
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 05:33 AM
Jan 2018

I even did a spreadsheet of the timeline at one time. (Okay, I can be compulsive, and had some time on my hands.)

I'm convinced she did it. Do you agree?

NanceGreggs

(27,815 posts)
17. Yes.
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 06:47 AM
Jan 2018

Despite having read several books/articles that offer very persuasive alternative theories, I do believe that Lizzie was guilty.

I think that’s what makes the case so fascinating – the idea that this sheltered, socially-awkward, Victorian woman got away with murder. She knew how to “play girl” when it counted – she knew how to use the “political correctness” of the era to her advantage.

She knew that even the most ardent investigator would never ask certain “intimate” questions of a female in that day and age – questions whose answers might have led to exposing her guilt.

She played the victim well in the court of public opinion – literally the defendant who sought sympathy because she was an orphan, her parents having been brutally butchered by someone of great strength and capable of brutality (in other words, a male).

I don’t condone what she did – but I understand why she did it, and I appreciate her cunning in using the mores of the day to bolster her version of the story.


sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
18. I've never gotten that involved
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 07:04 AM
Jan 2018

But you make it interesting. What were the questions that would have proven her guilt?

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
21. Oh....too involved to get into in a post, really.
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 03:33 PM
Jan 2018

And then I'd have to cite authorities for the facts, and I don't have those in front of me (they are on an older laptop).

It's very interesting, though. I'm convinced she did it. But there are those who are convinced she didn't.

But people have to realize that back then, a jury of men was not likely to find any woman guilty of a violent crime like that, unless there was no doubt whatsoever, not just reasonable doubt. I believe she might be found guilty, if the trial were held now. Consider that both parents were killed while they were in the house with Lizzie. The maid was outside cleaning windows for a long time.

Think about a modern crime scene. If two people were killed in your house violently, and you were the only other person in the house. You'd have some 'splainin' to do. Then you burn the clothes you were wearing that morning at your house. And there were other things.

She had been said by townspeople at the time that she was thought to be peculiar. So she may have been a little off, to begin with. Something drove her over the edge, IMO, and she hatched the plan to get out of what was her desperate situation.

I also think the father's killing of the pigeons (which were kept in the barn out back) was a real, traumatic event for Lizzie, though there is varying testimony about the pigeons. Lizzie herself doesn't claim they were her pigeons or that her father killed them with an axe/hatchet. However, there are indications from others that the pigeons were her pets, she loved them, and her father killed them with a hatchet in a fit of anger. (It is undisputed that the father had killed all the pigeons that were being kept in the barn...I think it was either a few weeks to a few months before the parents were murdered.) In fact, she said that during the morning of the murder, she had spent time in the loft of the barn eating apples (that's where the pigeons had been kept). I think the killing of the pigeons by the father was a key event.

She and her sister had something else to be concerned about. I'm fuzzy on the details, but it's about money and property. Her father was getting pretty old. His wife was going to inherit some key property and money, as I recall. I think Lizzie and her sister had some property that their father had given them, but recently he'd given some key property to his wife, whose family would then inherit that. That left Lizzie and her sister in a somewhat precarious financial situation. The stepmother could have kicked them out, after the father died. Something along those lines. Back then, most women were totally reliant on their fathers or husbands for support. Lizzie and her sister were spinsters, so totally reliant on him for their financial support for the rest of their lives. (This is why the stepmother had to be killed, as well.)


Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
13. Oh, yeah. I've been fixated on that case for years.
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 05:31 AM
Jan 2018

I've read books about it, the Elizabeth Montgomery movie on it. I'm convinced she did it, and know WHY she did it. It's so clear to me (should I worry about my mind, if I think like an axe murderer?).

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