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louis c

(8,652 posts)
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 12:50 PM Jan 2018

Where most of your small tax savings will be going

I just looked up the trends in fuel, both for our cars and our homes.

In the one year that Trump has been President*, gasoline at the pump has increased about 25 cents a gallon and home heating has increased about a half a buck.

Those increases can be laid at the doorstep of the weaker dollar, as a barrel of oil is measured in dollars. As the dollar weakens, all imports and commodities increase. As my co-worker states correctly, we are producing more oil in this country than ever before. However, that fuel does not go directly to the American consumer, but instead is distributed to the international market, and then back to the American consumer. This makes us as vulnerable to the weaker dollar as we would be if the oil was from a foreign supplier.

So, the point being, that the economic policies that the Trump Administration is portraying is no better than a shell game in which we may get a small increase in our pay checks, but an essential expenditure (most people have to drive, and everybody has to heat their house, either directly or indirectly) has increased and is expected to continue to increase. This is no better than the old adage of "Robing Peter to pay Paul" or placing the money in one pocket, but taking it out of the other.

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Where most of your small tax savings will be going (Original Post) louis c Jan 2018 OP
Our 42 dollars will go towards the 82 dollar increase in our insurance. redstatebluegirl Jan 2018 #1
I don't believe its true we're producing "more oil than ever before ...." mr_lebowski Jan 2018 #2
Producing or not louis c Jan 2018 #3
Not of Crude ... and I don't think it's even that close ... mr_lebowski Jan 2018 #4
Well I'm sure I'mm be paying higher insurance rates next year. alarimer Jan 2018 #5
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
2. I don't believe its true we're producing "more oil than ever before ...."
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 01:08 PM
Jan 2018

If we ARE, then 'the last time we were producing around this much' was probably like 1976 or something, when our population was considerably smaller.

IOW even if the physical amount is at or near the peak of 'how much we're ever produced' (I'm dubious on that), we're still nowhere near our "historical maximum in terms of % of what we use that's produced domestically". It used to be WAY over 100% ... the US was pretty much a Saudi Arabia from like 1930 to 1970.

Also ttbomk the ban on export of our crude remains in place and if not it was only recently lifted, don't think Obama lifted it.

The % domestically produced has gone up a bit over the past 10 or so years due to fracking and other new-ish tech (and slightly reduced demand), but US still only produce some 55-60% (haven't checked real recently) of the crude that we use every day, so by that reason alone we're subject to the vagaries of the global market prices.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
3. Producing or not
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 02:13 PM
Jan 2018

We are producing more than we consume.

There's a lot of factors in that. Renewable increases, consumption reductions due to conservation, shale oil production and, most especially, natural gas production.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
4. Not of Crude ... and I don't think it's even that close ...
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 03:00 PM
Jan 2018

Believe we still import around 40% of what we burn through every day. And I don't mean that's like 'a trade' where we also sell that amount or more on the world market. I mean NET production vs. consumption. Talking like 'domestically we consume/burn through 20M barrels of crude a day but we only pull 13M barrels per day from the ground', or whatever the number is.

Probably if you counted total BTU's of things like coal and renewables and nukes and hydro and natural gas you could account for that which is contained within the 40% of petroleum we import, making us net energy producer, sure ... that wouldn't surprise me ... but the fact remains we still import lots to turn into gasoline and other petroleum products for US consumption.

Which is to say we've always been vulnerable to rising oil costs due to a weak dollar, based on that 40% alone ... and I just checked and it turns out that yes ... the ban was lifted ... looks like it was under Obama but I think the GOPee did it in Congress.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/29/investing/us-oil-exports-begin/index.html

So yeah, your friend is right ... since we've opened our crude for sale on the global market as well, that vulnerability to weak dollar is (logically at least somewhat) further exacerbated by that action.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
5. Well I'm sure I'mm be paying higher insurance rates next year.
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 03:48 PM
Jan 2018

Our union negotiated a 2% COLA, but most of that will be eaten up as well.

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