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CousinIT

(9,247 posts)
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 02:48 PM Jan 2018

IMPORTANT thread on the FISA process & why Nunes' memo is INTENTIONALLY misleading...




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FISA/NUNES MEMO THREAD. I just explained this on @CNN (and will post clip in a few), but this @nytimes article illustrates how the Nunes Memo can mislead the American public if certain details that provide context are not made clear. This is one example.

Secret Memo Hints at a New Republican Target: Rod Rosenstein

The memo, raising doubts about the Russia inquiry, includes an account of Mr. Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, approving surveillance of a former Trump campaign aide.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/28/us/politics/rod-rosenstein-carter-page-secret-memo.html

2. According to the article, the Nunes memo seeks to target DAG Rod Rosenstein as engaging in FISA "Abuse" because he approved an application to extend FISA surveillance on Carter Page. According to reporting, this is proof that Rosenstein failed to "properly vet" the application

3. A few key points to understand. First, approving an *application* to extend surveillance is NOT the same as approving the extension of surveillance itself. The decision of whether or not to extend surveillance is made by a federal judge in FISA court, in an independent review.

4. In deciding whether to approve an extension of surveillance, the DOJ has to show the FISA court that the surveillance has yielded actual, valuable foreign intelligence information that is relevant to the underlying case, and that target is acting on behalf of foreign intel.

5. To be clear, this means that the DOJ had to go in and show *recent, brand-new information* -- actual communications -- showing that Page was engaging in clandestine intelligence activity on behalf of the Russians. This has nothing to do with the dossier.

6. KEY PIECE OF INFORMATION: Keep in mind that once a FISA begins on a USPER, the DOJ has to check in with the court *every 90 days* and provide evidence that they are getting foreign intel in order to extend the FISA for longer. Why is this important?

7. Well, the FISA began around September 2016. DAG Rosenstein did not come on board until February 2017. That means that the Page FISA had ALREADY BEEN EXTENDED ONCE by a FISA court in the interim. Meaning that through December, the FBI collected proof of foreign intel activity

8. Again, that December extension would have been reviewed and approved by a federal FISA court judge. And it would have happened well before Rosenstein came on the scene. (This also reveals that the original FISA application had a valid basis.)

9. If the FBI had proof of ongoing intelligence activity through December (proof accepted by a FISA judge to warrant extension), it is completely reasonable that it continued to collect intel through the spring, warranting another 90-day extension, and would ask the FISC for one.

10. In approving an application for an extension in March 2017, Rosenstein would have been looking at whether there was enough new intel from Dec-Mar to justify going back into court. Again, nothing to do with dossier, completely std, and if approved by FISC, clearly warranted.

I wrote this thread back in September, if you want more background on the basis and process for getting a FISA on a USPER
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IMPORTANT thread on the FISA process & why Nunes' memo is INTENTIONALLY misleading... (Original Post) CousinIT Jan 2018 OP
It's the same old misdirection strategy gratuitous Jan 2018 #1
Well said. Ditto iluvtennis Jan 2018 #8
k and r and bookmarking for later. niyad Jan 2018 #2
The gop are so up to their eyeballs awesomerwb1 Jan 2018 #3
+1000 dchill Jan 2018 #4
If Democrats ever get back in power NewJeffCT Jan 2018 #6
Gonna be tough considering the supreme court awesomerwb1 Jan 2018 #7
Lots of GOP are, but then you have people like Trey Gowdy giving Mueller solid thumbs up. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2018 #10
K&R! gademocrat7 Jan 2018 #5
This type of reminder is important to us (common people) and to the news organizations erronis Jan 2018 #9
Benghazi crap-Its a mountain-No is a molehill YessirAtsaFact Jan 2018 #11
KICK. n/t CousinIT Jan 2018 #12

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
1. It's the same old misdirection strategy
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 02:56 PM
Jan 2018

We saw it in the "unmasking" "scandal," as if there was something sinister about the National Security Adviser reading through intelligence reports and requesting the names that had been redacted from some of the reports. People who don't know or understand the process are stampeded into thinking something underhanded was going on, aided and abetted by a know-nothing media that is incapable of calling a bare-faced lie a lie.

awesomerwb1

(4,268 posts)
3. The gop are so up to their eyeballs
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 03:04 PM
Jan 2018

in corruption and foreign money that it's past the point of no return for them.

It's all out, or nothing. I expect a lot more "retirements" from them.

The gop will stop at nothing to obfuscate, confuse, undermine, discredit and ultimately derail -any- investigation into their wrong doings.

awesomerwb1

(4,268 posts)
7. Gonna be tough considering the supreme court
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 05:17 PM
Jan 2018

is right leaning and they seem to think corporations are people.

erronis

(15,294 posts)
9. This type of reminder is important to us (common people) and to the news organizations
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 05:34 PM
Jan 2018

Thank you for keeping these points in front us us.

But especially making them obvious to those in the media that actually care about truth. I don't expect to hear many points recited during the scripted Pootus-News Entertainment Network (fux).

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
11. Benghazi crap-Its a mountain-No is a molehill
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 05:44 PM
Jan 2018

Liars in Congress, on faux news and the radio inflating nothing into something.

It hasn’t been released because it’s bullshit.

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