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Atman

(31,464 posts)
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 05:17 PM Jan 2018

What's your take on Nicole Wallace?

She's now one of the better talking heads on MSNBC, but she used to be George W. Bush's communications director. What's up with that? Remorse? Did she come around? Is she just taking a job and playing a part?

She seems pretty passionate and informed. I hated her when she was telling us how great it was that Bush was illegally bombing Iraq. Is she just another Chris Matthews, cheerleading whomever is in the office and signing her paycheck?

I'm conflicted. How about you?

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What's your take on Nicole Wallace? (Original Post) Atman Jan 2018 OP
No problem-- she's smart, informed, and asking the right questions... TreasonousBastard Jan 2018 #1
Yes. elleng Jan 2018 #3
No conflict here, elleng Jan 2018 #2
Did she change parties? Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2018 #10
She calls herself a "former Republican", so guess she's technically independent wishstar Jan 2018 #15
She's independent now. OliverQ Jan 2018 #34
She refers to herself as a "non-practicing republican" FM123 Jan 2018 #52
She must have found Jesus. Jack-o-Lantern Jan 2018 #4
The REAL one, who stands for the Golden Rule, not the PatrickforO Jan 2018 #31
She's actively anti-Clinton even with her out of Hortensis Jan 2018 #5
She's doing a fantastic job, far better than many of the sheep at MSNBC. The bigger question though OnDoutside Jan 2018 #6
I wouldn't say the 50 years prior to Trump NewJeffCT Jan 2018 #12
I'll stick to the 50 as imo, it has been a progression/regression from 1964, to the hate induced OnDoutside Jan 2018 #13
Goldwater TwistOneUp Jan 2018 #37
She's smart. kentuck Jan 2018 #7
Ana Navarro, Steve Schmidt, David Frum and Nicole are "Never Trumpers". oasis Jan 2018 #8
Add Michael Steele, David Jolly, Richard Painter, Jennifer Rubin and Rick Wilson to the list... VOX Jan 2018 #11
Rick Wilson "takes no prisoners" with his attacks on Trump. oasis Jan 2018 #14
MSNBC is a GOP refugee camp IADEMO2004 Jan 2018 #54
As long as theyre disavowing Trump and want to save democracy... VOX Jan 2018 #55
Good set of rules as long as the dudes abide. IADEMO2004 Jan 2018 #57
At least The Dude Abides... VOX Jan 2018 #58
Cue that movie tonight should your blood pressure spike. IADEMO2004 Jan 2018 #60
Itll be a tonic! VOX Jan 2018 #61
Bush and trump are the same. Trump is carrying on the same fascism. rockfordfile Jan 2018 #27
Not conflicted at all.... Pachamama Jan 2018 #9
she's one of the network's best spanone Jan 2018 #16
Add me to her fan list RandomAccess Jan 2018 #17
Se's an honest person Stinky The Clown Jan 2018 #18
What you said Hekate Jan 2018 #32
With skepticism eleny Jan 2018 #19
Same Here Leith Jan 2018 #23
Anyone who thinks Nicolle "brought us Sarah Palin" needs to read her book... Hekate Jan 2018 #28
Yep! Clarity2 Jan 2018 #38
She was appalled - big whip eleny Jan 2018 #48
I like her DeminPennswoods Jan 2018 #20
I also love her format. Very refreshing, and she tolerates no lies. Hekate Jan 2018 #25
I have grown to like and respect her Gothmog Jan 2018 #21
I'm happy for anyone that speaks out against trump JI7 Jan 2018 #22
I like her intelligence, wit, and informed sense of history and the Constitution... Hekate Jan 2018 #24
Bush is a war criminal. rockfordfile Jan 2018 #26
I've made a few mistakes in my life, too. Taraman Jan 2018 #30
Temporary ally, but make no mistake Blaukraut Jan 2018 #29
I like her a lot -- but predict she will scamper to her Romney Comfort Zone as soon as she can elfin Jan 2018 #33
I agree..she would support someone like Romney Jeb helpisontheway Jan 2018 #36
She woke up after the Palin disaster! I watched Game Change helpisontheway Jan 2018 #35
Jesus Christ! Glamrock Jan 2018 #39
Right On! nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2018 #42
ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY. Atman Jan 2018 #45
I don't think a realization of past inaccuracies is indicative of a wind-sock LanternWaste Jan 2018 #50
Really? Glamrock Jan 2018 #62
Yes. tenderfoot Jan 2018 #51
While I enjoy the comments and discussions from Wallace, Schmidt... 3catwoman3 Jan 2018 #40
She has evolved. Which is a good thing. I don't always agree with her but kydo Jan 2018 #41
She seems like a smart, genuinely concerned Republican CanonRay Jan 2018 #43
I don't trust her. Nope. nt Laffy Kat Jan 2018 #44
I'll take Jeffrey Toobin tenfold above Nicole Wallace Awsi Dooger Jan 2018 #46
Her whole thing is she hates Trump that's her number one issue Raine Jan 2018 #47
She's been great today DeminPennswoods Jan 2018 #49
She is doing penance? saidsimplesimon Jan 2018 #53
I don't have any problem with her as a cable news host PatSeg Jan 2018 #56
She writes awful novels pscot Jan 2018 #59

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
1. No problem-- she's smart, informed, and asking the right questions...
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 05:23 PM
Jan 2018

precisely what she is supposed to be doing.

She's said that Trump forced her to rethink things, and I see no reason to doubt that. If true, as I assume it is, that's to her credit.

elleng

(130,974 posts)
2. No conflict here,
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 05:24 PM
Jan 2018

she recognized she can not continue being a republican. She's very good at her job.

We MUST acknowledge and recognize when people do such, and welcome them away from the currently brain-dead kleptocracy.

wishstar

(5,270 posts)
15. She calls herself a "former Republican", so guess she's technically independent
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 06:09 PM
Jan 2018

She has said she did not vote in 2008 election even though she worked for McCain and Palin due to her concerns that Palin was an unqualified disaster and Wallace has said she voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. She's actively anti-Clinton even with her out of
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 05:33 PM
Jan 2018

politics. Likes to keep hitting more than her "nice" face would suggest, presumably a habit she picked up during the long campaign, although she seems to think protecting Comey requires bashing Hillary for some reason.

Like all the daytime talking faces, she came to terms with the "rules" for being there, including carefully endorsing and pushing current groupthink, which often has nothing to do with truth or informing, and often involves actively misinforming viewers.

OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
6. She's doing a fantastic job, far better than many of the sheep at MSNBC. The bigger question though
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 05:35 PM
Jan 2018

is not just for her, but for Schmidt, Frum and others, is when the Trump menace is hopefully no more, do they want the Republican Party to go BACK to what it was for the 50 years previous to Trump. Trump is the culmination of moderate Republicans like her, not standing up to scumbucket conservatives like Meadows/Paul/Cruz etc.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
12. I wouldn't say the 50 years prior to Trump
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 05:55 PM
Jan 2018

I'd say the 25 years prior to Reagan, and even then they produced Barry Goldwater, Spiro Agnew and Dick Nixon.

OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
13. I'll stick to the 50 as imo, it has been a progression/regression from 1964, to the hate induced
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 05:59 PM
Jan 2018

environment post Nixon (Republicans blaming Democrats for supposedly "taking out" their man), to the ramped up hate of the Clinton Presidency, carried on into hate of Hillary.

TwistOneUp

(1,020 posts)
37. Goldwater
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 09:09 PM
Jan 2018

Once said, "I don't care if a soldier is straight, as long as he can shoot straight."

He was a whole different kind of republican than these shitheads today. He never would have gone along with releasing this piece of fantasy known as "Nunes' memo".

Personally, I long for GOPers like Goldwater. When Rayguns gave the party away to the Religious Wrong, the shtupping of the populace began.

oasis

(49,389 posts)
8. Ana Navarro, Steve Schmidt, David Frum and Nicole are "Never Trumpers".
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 05:47 PM
Jan 2018

Trump has stained their precious GOP beyond repair and trashed Jeb and George W. Bush along the way.

I'm sure Wallace would like nothing better than to see Trump's administration topple. Big time.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
11. Add Michael Steele, David Jolly, Richard Painter, Jennifer Rubin and Rick Wilson to the list...
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 05:52 PM
Jan 2018

These “Bull Moose” Republicans have lambasted the Trump administration with greater intensity and more frequently than some Democrats.

oasis

(49,389 posts)
14. Rick Wilson "takes no prisoners" with his attacks on Trump.
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 06:07 PM
Jan 2018

He does it with such ease and conviction.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
55. As long as theyre disavowing Trump and want to save democracy...
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 06:42 PM
Jan 2018

They are welcome.

However, one word from them about free-markets or some other bullshit, and it’s donkey-kickin’ time

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
9. Not conflicted at all....
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 05:48 PM
Jan 2018

Like Steve Schmidt who worked on the McCain/Palin campaign, Nicole Wallace is a smart person who is honest and actually remembers what the true meaning of being a Republican means.

I think she believed in George W. Bush until she saw things she didn't and she has always been honest about that.

Now she is very clear about things and asks hard questions of Republicans and calls out hypocrisy.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
17. Add me to her fan list
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 06:34 PM
Jan 2018

She's also written a book (novel): Madame President which I plan to read someday.

Stinky The Clown

(67,808 posts)
18. Se's an honest person
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 06:42 PM
Jan 2018

She is a conservative. I know conservatives like her. Decent people who want pretty much what I want, but see things differently as to how to get there.

She and the others mentioned in this thread are the point of the spear toward getting back to the GOP of yore. Back to the Nelson Rockefeller types.

I'm not sure they can do it, but I am hopeful. A robust and respectful two party system is what we need. Not compromise for its own sake or for the sake of the two party system, but for the sake of the people.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
19. With skepticism
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 06:48 PM
Jan 2018

She helped bring us Sarah Palin who in turn makes it easier to normalize Trump.

So I just haven't warmed up to the wonder of Nicole.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
23. Same Here
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 07:51 PM
Jan 2018

I just don't trust these Republicans who have suddenly seen the light once tRump came on the scene. He isn't anything that they didn't work their whole lives to achieve, so why aren't they happy?

If somebody like Rmoney gets the rethug presidential nomination, you can count on these fair weather repubs to go running back with their "horror" stories of life on the liberal side.

I want to see different spots on those leopards and new stripes on the tigers.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
28. Anyone who thinks Nicolle "brought us Sarah Palin" needs to read her book...
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 08:56 PM
Jan 2018

Nicolle was so appalled by Palin that she did not vote for John McCain, and that is saying something.

Clarity2

(1,009 posts)
38. Yep!
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 09:11 PM
Jan 2018

I watched her on The View when she was a regular. She had no respect for Palin from day one and spoke of it often.

She’s one of the few republicans I trust. She’s genuine, and I felt like she was more like a moderate dem in her beliefs. Obviously shes no longer a repub.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
48. She was appalled - big whip
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 11:59 PM
Jan 2018

Before that she worked for GW Bush in communications and for his campaign in '04. Pardon me that I'm not positive about her or Steve Schmidt even though they're now making the noises we like to hear.

I don't expect anyone to agree with me. I'm simply turned off by both of them. They've seen the light? I'm skeptical. Like Leith replied in post #23 - I too believe she'll be on the Romney train should he decide to run.

If she switches Parties I'll reconsider. Until then, fugetaboutit.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
20. I like her
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 07:04 PM
Jan 2018

I love her format where she has a roundtable for the entire show and they have actual, calm serious discussions among guests of different political views. She asks great questions and follow up questions.

I think she and Schmidt have had true epiphanies. The others hate Trump, but like lower taxes, less regulation, etc. I'd say they're the business/country club GOP, not the crazy social crusaders who have taken over the party.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
24. I like her intelligence, wit, and informed sense of history and the Constitution...
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 08:50 PM
Jan 2018

She's a small-c conservative who makes no bones about having left the GOP because of Trump. She worked with John McCain and was assigned to educate Sarah Palin, as a result of which she did not vote for McCain at all.

What's not to like?

rockfordfile

(8,704 posts)
26. Bush is a war criminal.
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 08:55 PM
Jan 2018

That person was his communications director. She's just another right wing extremist.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
29. Temporary ally, but make no mistake
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 08:57 PM
Jan 2018

she will revert to form once a 'normal' Republican runs for President. That goes for Frum, Wilson, Sykes, and the rest of the Never Trumpers.

elfin

(6,262 posts)
33. I like her a lot -- but predict she will scamper to her Romney Comfort Zone as soon as she can
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 09:00 PM
Jan 2018

I feel she really identifies with "traditional" Repubs, whatever that means.

helpisontheway

(5,008 posts)
35. She woke up after the Palin disaster! I watched Game Change
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 09:04 PM
Jan 2018

again the other day. She worked on the campaign but could not vote for McCain due to Palin.

Glamrock

(11,802 posts)
39. Jesus Christ!
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 09:12 PM
Jan 2018

She's a fucking windsock! She's changing with the wind. Just like the rest i.e. Schmitt, Steele, Frum, etc. Ten minutes after Trump is gone they will be blaming liberals for everything and calling us traitors again. Try not to forget that these are the same people that spent fucking decades building the Titanic that is the Trump presidency. But by all means give these fuckers a lifeboat.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
45. ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY.
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 09:52 PM
Jan 2018

Democrats are easy marks because we hold to our beliefs. These guy just blow with the direction of the popular winds. Like Joe Scab. They'll be back on the GOP bandwagon as soon as a sane candidate emerges.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
50. I don't think a realization of past inaccuracies is indicative of a wind-sock
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 05:53 PM
Jan 2018

I don't think a realization of past inaccuracies is indicative of a wind-sock.

Seems more indicative of a mind subject to adapting to new information... which reading through the thread, may be a more difficult task than I previously imagined (uh-oh... I adapted to new information: I MUST be a wind-sock!!!).



But by all means... the dogmatic mind is greatly comforted by the immutability of itself.

Glamrock

(11,802 posts)
62. Really?
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 09:47 PM
Jan 2018

This is a woman who worked on the McCain PALIN candidacy. For the entirety of the election. Sure she couldn't vote for them. But apparently the money was good enough that she felt no qualms about pushing this mindless bimbo on the population. What a fucking role model! Wow! She evolved! Mark my words, she'all evolve again.

And, dogmatic my ass. We are at war. If you want to give lifeboats to those that brought this shit show on us, by all means, knock yourself out.. But, some of us can see through their bullshit.

What new information? That she says what you like to hear? That she agrees with you at this moment in time? Gimme a fucking break. In order for there to be reconciliation, one must admit the crimes they've committed and beg forgiveness. She ain't done either.

3catwoman3

(24,007 posts)
40. While I enjoy the comments and discussions from Wallace, Schmidt...
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 09:17 PM
Jan 2018

...and Wilson, and I think they are intelligent (especially Schmidt) I cannot forget that Nicolle and Steve helped to infllict Sarah Palin on this country, and that Rick Wilson was responsible for the hatchet job on triple amputee Max Cleland, resulting in the election of that human version of Foghorn Leghorn, Saxby Chambliss.

I find David Jolly to be very thoughtful and analytical, and it seems like he is grieving.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
41. She has evolved. Which is a good thing. I don't always agree with her but
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 09:23 PM
Jan 2018

I respect how she expresses herself.

I used to loathe her. Her voice was all whinny and she defended W and his ilk. But she has made many major improvements over the past few years. She doesn't whine anymore. She looks more comfortable in front of the camera. She is smart. I think she found her voice and has evolved into a pretty good TV news host.

She is still a republican or at least still supports the "old" republican ideals. I do make a point to watch her she. I hope she continues to evolve.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
46. I'll take Jeffrey Toobin tenfold above Nicole Wallace
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 09:54 PM
Jan 2018

Quite hilarious how the two of them have been portrayed today on this forum.

Big picture above short term. I never lose sight of that.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
47. Her whole thing is she hates Trump that's her number one issue
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 09:57 PM
Jan 2018

beyond that she is the same she's always been. I don't trust her one bit, don't be fooled by her!

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
49. She's been great today
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 05:48 PM
Jan 2018

Her show opened with a discussion of Nunes' memo. She had Rucker, WaPo, and Baker, NYT as off-set guests. When Baker made a comment about not knowing who to believe, she asked him if one of those people was the FBI director.

She and Schmidt are country over party, but they are more old school Rs.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
53. She is doing penance?
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 05:59 PM
Jan 2018

Never forget, GW Bush, "I am a media creation." Ms. Wallace was an employee of the enabler and co-dependent staff.

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
56. I don't have any problem with her as a cable news host
Tue Jan 30, 2018, 06:44 PM
Jan 2018

So far, her show has been good and she asks insightful questions. I started to see a bit of her humanity back when she confessed to Steve Schmidt that she couldn't vote for McCain because of Sarah Palin.

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