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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 05:36 PM Jan 2018

For Impeachment Referral, Mueller Would Need Rosenstein

By Sam Thielman | January 29, 2018 4:18 pm

The news that the controversial Nunes memo accuses Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein of misconduct underscores a crucial but often overlooked reality about Robert Mueller’s investigation of Russian influence in the election: If Mueller decides that President Donald Trump obstructed justice or otherwise broke the law, he may well still need Rosenstein’s sign-off to do anything about it.

The pivotal position Rosenstein occupies may help explain the determination of many Trump loyalists in and out of Congress to release the Nunes memo. Rosenstein has been facing calls since last year to step down or recuse himself from the Mueller probe — and his replacement would likely be a Trump loyalist. That means that if Rosenstein is forced out and a Trump loyalist takes his place, the move could neuter the Mueller probe.

At the heart of the issue are limits on the powers of the special counsel. Many legal scholars believe a sitting president can’t be criminally indicted, meaning that if Mueller finds evidence of crimes by Trump, his strongest recourse might well be to make a referral to Congress for potential impeachment proceedings. But some of those experts tell TPM that under the regulation governing the special counsel’s office, Mueller lacks the authority to make that referral without approval from Justice Department officials overseeing his investigation.

After Kenneth Starr’s pursuit of Bill Clinton, Congress changed the laws governing special investigations in 1999: No longer could a three-judge panel appoint an “independent counsel” acting with no direct DOJ oversight. Instead, the decision to appoint a “special counsel” had to be made by the attorney general. In Mueller’s case, Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself, because of meetings he had held with the Russian ambassador, leaving Rosenstein to appoint and manage Mueller and his probe.

“Those regulations don’t explicitly give the special counsel authority to make a referral,” William Yeomans, a 26-year DOJ veteran who has served as an acting assistant attorney general and is now a fellow at the Alliance for Justice, told TPM. “If there is a referral, it’s going to have to go through Rosenstein. Ultimately, it’s probably his decision.”

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For Impeachment Referral, Mueller Would Need Rosenstein (Original Post) DonViejo Jan 2018 OP
Seems the surest way to find out ... GeorgeGist Jan 2018 #1
Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein "misconduct" - in what way?????? asiliveandbreathe Jan 2018 #2
It's not Mueller's job to advocate for Impeachment brooklynite Jan 2018 #3
Exactly. No formal DOJ process is required. lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #5
At this point, Most of the evidence gathered so far would immediately be leaked to the press YessirAtsaFact Jan 2018 #4
I agree. Neither Rosenstein's hypothetical successor, nor GOPutin weasels will lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #6

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
2. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein "misconduct" - in what way??????
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 05:47 PM
Jan 2018

Evidence??? What did he do??? Is the where nunes cannot connect the dots???? Didn't Rosenstein just sit before one of the committees - like for hours???? - WTF!!!!!! nunes making up shit??? - Making up shit in this WH must be contagious....

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
5. Exactly. No formal DOJ process is required.
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 05:58 PM
Jan 2018

Mueller can present the evidence.

With or without help from the top.

The dude will not back down in the face of withering GOPutin "fire." He has repeatedly faced down real withering fire.

“Second Lieutenant Mueller fearlessly moved from one position to another,” the citation reads, according to Graff. “With complete disregard for his own safety, he then skillfully supervised the evacuation of casualties from the hazardous area and, on one occasion, personally led a fire team across the fire-swept area terrain to recover a mortally wounded Marine who had fallen in a position forward on the friendly lines.

That same devotion to duty would serve Mueller just four months later in April 1969, when, as a second lieutenant, he led his platoon to rescue American troops pinned down under heavy fire from the Vietcong. Despite taking an AK-47 round through the thigh, Mueller held his position until the troops had safely retreated. The firefight earned him a Navy Commendation Medal and his Purple Heart; a month later, he was back on patrol in the jungles of Vietnam (“I thought I’d at least get to go to a hospital ship,” he reportedly quipped of his injuries.)


https://taskandpurpose.com/robert-mueller-marine-vietnam-leadership/

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
4. At this point, Most of the evidence gathered so far would immediately be leaked to the press
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 05:55 PM
Jan 2018

If Rothstein was fired to muzzle Mueller

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
6. I agree. Neither Rosenstein's hypothetical successor, nor GOPutin weasels will
Mon Jan 29, 2018, 06:01 PM
Jan 2018

have much effect on the outcome. The boil is being pierced, and the pus is about to drain out all over the GOPutin Party.

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