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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEven if Trump is blatantly ignoring the Russia sanctions law, theres not a lot Congress can do
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The bashing of Dem leaders here on DU for "NOT DOING SOMETHING!!!!" should be tempered with and understanding of what the actual options are, especially for a party in the minority.
So what are those unlikely options? Let's run them down:
Congress could sue the president for allegedly breaking the law, but legal experts said courts tend to side with the executive branch on questions such as these. The sanctions law says Trump can avoid implementing them if he proves that Russia has made significant efforts to stop hacking into U.S. elections systems. It's not clear whether he's done that behind the scenes and the public just doesn't know about it.
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Congress's main power is the power of the purse. Lawmakers could try to withhold funding from the State Department until it implements the sanctions. But that's only slightly less risky than suing the president, because Congress could get blamed for handicapping U.S. diplomats. Plus, Congress has struggled since September to pass any budget, so this might be an empty threat.
The Senate could hold up judicial nominees, but that's also unlikely. The speedy rate at which Trump has nominated conservative judges and at which Senate Republicans have subsequently approved them was one of the party's potentially most lasting (if under-the-radar) accomplishments in 2017.
Congress could hold hearings designed to criticize and even embarrass the Trump administration about this decision. Consider it Congress's version of browbeating, Chafetz said. If Congress does anything at all, this is the likeliest option, and it could at least help lawmakers highlight their frustration with Trump's inaction.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/01/30/even-if-trump-is-blatantly-ignoring-the-russia-sanctions-law-theres-not-a-lot-congress-can-do-about-it/
YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)Works for me
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You seem to have more faith in the GOP than I do.
Perhaps you have heard of some that will?
Please share.
YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)It requires a majority, and we don't have that.....
YessirAtsaFact
(2,064 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)But it assumes that the Congress and Senate actually give a shit about that.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)How likely is that?
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)I'm not sure where you're going with all this.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Democrats "give a shit."
global1
(25,285 posts)make the American People aware of the gravity of this situation and its consequences.
Everyday we lose a little more of our Democracy as we just sweep crap that Trump pulls under the rug.
What's next?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And here on DU, every time one says or tweets or publishes, there are some who whine that "I want action, not words."
What's next is GET OUT THE VOTE, for any democrat, all democrats.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)mcar
(42,403 posts)I watch CNN from 5-7, sometimes switch to PBS. I also read newspapers, blogs and Twitter. Dems are all over the place.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)"Not a lot they WILL do" - sure I get that. Not until after the Blue Tsunami.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)...in the furtherance of a crime, it would be illegal, in my opinion.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Can you use fewer pronouns?
kentuck
(111,110 posts)Flynn making calls to Russians about lifting the sanctions as soon as they are in office. Sanctions were put on because of the Russians interfering with our elections. Did Russia help Trump with the election? The release of the emails, etc... What did Trump receive from Russia? That is the quid pro quo for lifting the sanctions.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And that depends on Mueller finding evidence of Quid Pro Quo from Trump himself.
That hasn't happened, and neither your opinion nor mine or anyone else's is relevant until then.
And I don't think that the Russian collusion will be easy to document or prove. Money laundering is another thing.
bluestarone
(17,067 posts)there is SO MUCH THEY COULD DO but THEY WON'T!!!!!!!!!!!
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)We'll wait.
bluestarone
(17,067 posts)impeach and indict
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Do you have inside information that GOP congresscritters would vote to impeach?
Until then, there is no "impeach," until the majority of congress votes to do so.
Until there is impeach, there is no "indict."
bluestarone
(17,067 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Can you clarify?
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...when they get around to it.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I think that would involve when the people "get around" to electing a majority of Dems, despite gerrymandering and voter suppression of Dems....
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...even once we do have a majority.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Can you say why?
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...and on how willing the Dems are to be seen as the party who leaps at impeachment the instant they can.
I am resigned to hearing from one or more Dem leaders this year that impeachment is off the table, as they have done before. That may be a necessary fig leaf, and I certainly hope that Mueller's investigation won't be quashed, but impeachment is and will remain a last resort in a system of checks and balances that is otherwise demonstrably broken.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Why do you think that would be the case?
What were the charges that they could have impeached Bush on?
I mean, the GOP was talking about impeaching Obama for Benghazi, but in lieu of any evidence, it would have been ridiculous.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)"Working to make Trump accountable" is exactly what I hope/expect, but that's by definition a slow process.
Blockbuster revelations from Mueller could speed the process, but once in the driver's seat, Dems will want to be seen to proceed deliberately, not kicking back but also not being hasty.
I've been saying for nearly three years that Trump will quit, and I can't believe that he's suddenly started having fun in his job. I think that long before impeachment can put on its shoes, the president will have resigned.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)So why would you expect anyone to hold one's breath, or it to go quickly?
I also don't think he's having "fun." I think that the strain is wearing on him.
And you are correct - he won't be seen as being fired, he will want to "quit" because that is more manly.
That's another reason that impeachment won't ever really reach the table. And I want Schneider to have the full NY state charges ready to go on his kids and him, so they can't be pardoned.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)The Trump crime family is really bad at crime, and state laws will find much more to work with.
But we probably gotta win seats before we can have any impeachment hearings.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)But I don't think they'll come to pass.
However, Mueller taking the small fish first will make the medium fish want to deal, and hopefully with Schneider.
mcar
(42,403 posts)Has many facets, not only impeachment. Real investigations, holding up nominees, passing legislation to help people and forcing Dotard to sign or veto.
I'm looking forward to Ds doing all that when they take back Congress.
global1
(25,285 posts)We let him get away with everything and there never are consequences.
In instances like this I always ask if the shoe where on the other foot what would the Repugs do? You know they wouldn't just let something like this go. They would be relentless.
I called both my Senators & my Congressman yesterday - all Dems.
I urged them all to speak out about this turning up his nose at Congress. Trump doesn't respect the law. This is a big deal in light of what we've learned about Trump & the Russians/Putin. It fits with the rest of the treasonous actions by this criminal. This can't be just swept under the rug like all the other crap Trump has pulled. Everytime we give this guy a pass he does something even worse.
What is wrong with this picture?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)What consequences are there? If you know some that the expert in the article missed, please share them with us.
Did you even read the OP?
brer cat
(24,626 posts)If there is finger wagging, arms flailing, and spittle flying it seems very authentic.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And even if congress did hold hearings, people would complain that they weren't angry enough, gruff enough, scoldy enough.
no_hypocrisy
(46,239 posts)Yes, Republicans.
procon
(15,805 posts)and sailing us into uncharted and perilous waters.
Johonny
(20,913 posts)Most of their likely voters think the president is compromised when it comes to Russia and this only adds fuel to a very hot fire.
Ligyron
(7,639 posts)I just hope the statute of limitations doesn't expire before we can put some of these criminals where they belong.
mcar
(42,403 posts)Thought I read that somewhere among all the other atrocities.