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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 07:08 AM Feb 2018

There's No Way Mueller Will Indict Trump

The latest revelations about President Trump have, once again, excited the interest of the public, leading to speculation that Special Counsel Robert Mueller may have amassed sufficient evidence to charge the president with obstruction of justice. Trump’s attempt to fire Mueller (which happened last June, but is only now being publicly reported) is, under this line of thinking, the final straw.

Color me deeply skeptical.

Mueller will not indict Trump for obstruction of justice or for any other crime. Period. Full stop. End of story. Speculations to the contrary are just fantasy.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/even-if-trump-is-found-guilty-mueller-wouldnt-be-the-indictment-decision-maker/551753/
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There's No Way Mueller Will Indict Trump (Original Post) oberliner Feb 2018 OP
Isn't it possible MFM008 Feb 2018 #1
We do have a sort of Hobson's choice: Trump or Pence? ..... marble falls Feb 2018 #2
I disagree...I think Trump may well spend the rest of his life in jail. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #3
Call me naive, eternal optimist... Trueblue Texan Feb 2018 #11
Muller doesn't indict anyone. It is referred to a grand jury to do that. More to the point, it is still_one Feb 2018 #4
Really? chuckstevens Feb 2018 #5
The author is Paul Rosenzweig GeoWilliam750 Feb 2018 #6
One small warning... GetRidOfThem Feb 2018 #7
Thanks for sharing that oberliner Feb 2018 #8
The amusing thing is... GetRidOfThem Feb 2018 #9
This is dumb, and wrong. unblock Feb 2018 #10
You're right.. MUeller won't indict him. Scoopster Feb 2018 #12

MFM008

(19,818 posts)
1. Isn't it possible
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 07:20 AM
Feb 2018

He finds something so egregious that norms are not applicable.
Maggot has never followed rules.
He's led a consequence free life and acted thusly and with aggressive abandon.
We don't know WHAT Mueller is on to, neither does the author of this Atlantic article.
I do believe fatty will be impeached, but after the November election.
The Mueller report will have recommendations and
Even if HE doesn't indict directly
we democrats can use that report as the basis for impeachment next year.

Trueblue Texan

(2,440 posts)
11. Call me naive, eternal optimist...
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 09:14 AM
Feb 2018

...but I think it's either he will spend the rest of his life in jail or he will defect to Russia or some other country that is sympathetic to dictators. One my strongest values is the defense of Democracy--more important than any religion, any other value system I hold except perhaps family--and Democracy serves that value well. I know I am not alone. I see passions running deep here. For all our differences of opinion, we all hold Democracy dear. I know this is in the hearts of people all over this country, no matter the party with which they identify. I suspect so many Repubs haven't sensed the threat that is so obvious to us. But many of them have. I believe in our people, no matter how foolish they have been, I believe they will defend Democracy and that justice will be served.

still_one

(92,372 posts)
4. Muller doesn't indict anyone. It is referred to a grand jury to do that. More to the point, it is
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 07:47 AM
Feb 2018

questionable if a sitting President can even be indicted without being impeached first, and unless Democrats get control of Congress in 2018 that is very unlikely


 

chuckstevens

(1,201 posts)
5. Really?
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 07:58 AM
Feb 2018

Mueller did not bring in 17 of the top money laundering experts to say, "Nope, no crimes here."

Besides, there's always the NY AG as a fallback!

GeoWilliam750

(2,522 posts)
6. The author is Paul Rosenzweig
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 08:22 AM
Feb 2018

Biography:

Paul Rosenzweig is a Senior Fellow at the R Street Institute and a Principal at Red Branch Consulting. Twenty years ago he served as a Senior Counsel in the investigation of President Clinton.

From his website: "Paul Rosenzweig is an accomplished writer and speaker with a national reputation in cyber security and homeland security. Mr. Rosenzweig is the founder of Red Branch Consulting PLLC, a homeland security consulting company, and a Senior Advisor to The Chertoff Group. Mr. Rosenzweig formerly served as Deputy Assistant Secretary for Policy in the Department of Homeland Security. He is a Professorial Lecturer in Law at George Washington University and a Visiting Fellow at The Heritage Foundation. He is an advisor to and former member of the American Bar Association Standing Committee on Law and National Security and a Contributing Editor of the Lawfare blog. In 2011 he was a Carnegie Fellow in National Security Journalism at the Medill School of Journalism, Northwestern University, where he now serves as an Adjunct Lecturer."

Also was with the Heritage Foundation, and the Department of Homeland Security for the second term of George W Bush.

GetRidOfThem

(869 posts)
7. One small warning...
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 08:22 AM
Feb 2018

Paul R., author of the article in the Atlantic, is a true conservative republican. He is the one who introduced Lina Tripp to the Ken Starr investigation, while he was working for Ken Starr. He is not a Trump supporter, but he will defend the party. That may color the article...

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
8. Thanks for sharing that
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 08:50 AM
Feb 2018

I always get thrown when generally left of center news publications have conservative op-ed writers. Seems to be happening more and more often these days.

GetRidOfThem

(869 posts)
9. The amusing thing is...
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 09:07 AM
Feb 2018

...that his family he grew up in is liberal, and he hates liberals... (so he told me...)

unblock

(52,309 posts)
10. This is dumb, and wrong.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 09:12 AM
Feb 2018

Fine, they’ll think twice about it, they’ll be reluctant to do it perhaps.

But imagine in a president we’re to murder someone with his bare hands in front of plenty of witnesses. On federal property so no state can go after him.

Come on, there’s no way he’s not getting a free pass.


And if you admit that, then it’s a question of which crimes a president gets indicted now of later for, which at least is a very different question.

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