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Kurt Eichenwald @kurteichenwald 1:06 PM - Jan 31, 2018
The probability @DevinNunes will ultimately go to jail for obstruction has just increased by about 40% given that he won't deny he had his staff work with the White House on the "attack the FBI" memo that Trump's FBI says is packed with lies. No more congressional immunity, dude.
...to explain: Members of Congress have assorted immunities in doing their jobs. (Doesn't include felonies.) BUT, once you cross the line and start working with another branch of government on non-legislative issues to block a criminal investigation, immunity is dead.
...the bottom line, @DevinNunes: You need to stop thinking you can do whatever you want to subvert Mueller and consult a good criminal lawyer - not some partisan hack. Somebody who knows the law needs to explain to you the peril you have created for yourself.
BigmanPigman
(51,626 posts)Lindsay
(3,276 posts)But as long as power is in the hands of Republicans all the way down, nobody's gonna enforce laws on fellow Republicans.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)house rules, they're federal laws.
Right up until now, NO ONE in government from the president down dared to cross the FBI if at all possible. It was considered potentially suicidal. Politics is a very interactive business. If the FBI didn't have information that could hurt one person directly, they could hurt him or whole parties indirectly, such as by prosecuting a major donor.
And here we have the Republican Party declaring war on the FBI. What on earth is causing them to behave this way? Whatever it is, they've screwed up so badly and in so many ways. Desperation.
No surprise. Today's corrupt Republicans' greatest talents are in lying and dirty tricks, but those do not amount to basic competence, much less good survival skills.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)is encouraging Nunes, all the way. He must not know these rules, or maybe he does and does not care?
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)of Ryan's previous pattern. Right or wrong, he was believed to be basically ethical. We know that's extremely subjective, but apparently he worked from inside the system conforming to and using the rules, not smashing them.
So he does knows the rules and always "cared" about them before. We know now they were wrong in seeing him as ethical, but it's likely he also believed this about himself -- before now. Now his behavior has changed dramatically.
Why?! We're living IN the pages of this improbable best-seller and not able to skip ahead.
longship
(40,416 posts)"and not able to skip ahead."
Gees Louise! You've nailed that one, for sure.
Great analogy!
MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)I cannot imagine selling out my country for anything let alone this pResident.
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)but ... money and/or power. And the probability that the Ruskies have something on Nunes and others that gives them nightmares at night... nightmares about metal frame beds in small rooms with stainless steel toilets.
sdfernando
(4,939 posts)Nunes had a partner invested in some winery (I think)...the partner died mysteriously and he now has russian partners. Perhaps the ruskies know the circumstances of the partners death and are blackmailing nunes....or perhap the ruskies caused the death and have a way to pin it on nunes..either way the result is the same...they have nunes in their pocket.
haele
(12,674 posts)Like Whitey Bulger did. Theres a large "established" Armenian community in California, especially in the secondary agriculture (i.e. juices and other food processing) businesses. There's also been quite a lot of questionable imports and exports in those communities.
Just saying.
Haele
Marcuse
(7,506 posts)haele
(12,674 posts)And a lot of prime DoD property, especially base housing, ended up as new McMansion type housing developments and business parks...all bought or funded by businesses and investors who have strong ties with the GOP, instead of being turned over to other federal departments or to the states or communities those properties were located.
Haele
global1
(25,266 posts)Stuart G
(38,439 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)he should rely on his own wits and instincts to get him through.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,403 posts)The entire party of Putin needs to see jail time.
Weed Man
(304 posts)He has committed treason and the only fitting punishment is death.
maxsolomon
(33,384 posts)Death comes for us all.
triron
(22,019 posts)C Moon
(12,221 posts)rainin
(3,011 posts)I think he's a Russian agent. He does what his handlers tell him to do.
bucolic_frolic
(43,258 posts)The moves are rather crude. If they had outside domestic help, it would sound plausible. But these steps are either poorly thought through or one level removed from actual legal knowledge.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)Call it the Trump Memorial Gulag?
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)Gitmo open, send the entire gop there. Keep them separate, since when two of them get together they figure out a way to screw citizens out of money and rights.
FakeNoose
(32,726 posts)I was going to say, send them all to Puerto Rico and move the Puerto Rican natives to nice properties in Palm Beach. Maybe they can have Mar-A-Lago since Trump's going to lose all his properties anyway.
Trump didn't want to spend a dime to help PR, now he can go live there and clean it up himself.
maxsolomon
(33,384 posts)There's no will, no mechanism to hold Nunes to account beyond 11/2018.
Even then...
Enoki33
(1,587 posts)himself in. He has done so because it is the better alternative to being charged with being an agent of Russia and their supporting cast of criminal oligarchs. Espionage is a very serious charge. Anger forces me to say that he is representative of the cast of traitors that dotard has assembled in his despotic power grab on behalf of a hostile foreign power. The entire GOP has to be fumigated.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Gothmog
(145,489 posts)No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)It's difficult for me believe that a member of congress, even Nunes could be so incredibly ignorant of this stuff.
I get it.. it's fun to call them idiots and dullards and nincompoops, but damn! could they really, honestly, in all reality, be THIS stupid?
For Pete's sake, these are adults with college educations who are savvy enough to get elected by hook or by crook. How can someone, anyone who can do that be so pig-ignorant as to jeopardize not only their career, but their own freedom?
Sure... maybe I give them far too much credit, but is it really the fact that Moe Howard from the Three Stooges is President, the House is Looney Tunes. and GOP leadership is nothing but a less-than-entertaining version of Wile E. Coyote, Super-Genius?
Maybe people are simply not as smart as I've thought. I've been thinking these guys were adhering to a plan... a weird, imported-from-another-planet, written-by-a-different-species plan that was easy-peasey to them but incomprehensible to us. Three dimensional Candyland.
But maybe they really are simply a bunch of idiots.
Phoenix61
(17,017 posts)It's difficult to tell the difference between corruption and incompetence, they look the same. I think Nunes is both. Corrupt as hell and dumb as a box of rocks.
Cosmocat
(14,568 posts)Well said.
fleur-de-lisa
(14,628 posts)Anything to win an election, right?
Putin is a hell of a spy. He knows how to entrap people better than anyone on Earth.
I think Nunes saw information that he feared might implicate him, which is why he ran to the WH in the middle of the night last year and steared himself down this slippery slope.
Since then he's just been digging himself deeper into this hole. He knows there's no way out unless the FBI can be tainted.
SoCalMusicLover
(3,194 posts)Until then, it's all dreams, not reality.
C_U_L8R
(45,019 posts)He's doing a fantastic job putting the noose around his own neck.
Heckovajob Dev !!!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Gothmog
(145,489 posts)rurallib
(62,444 posts)I am not sure how they assess honorees, but this guy to me is living "Profile In Courage."
lindysalsagal
(20,726 posts)The gop is a circular firing squad. Morons.
"No problem! No one has to know we took Russian mob money! Here: Take some! There's lots more!"
Cha
(297,550 posts)Hekate
(90,778 posts)Hey, Nunes! May all the grapes in your Russian-backed vineyards turn to raisins! May all the wine in your winery turn to vinegar! And may you go to prison!
fallout87
(819 posts)Hate to say it. But not going to happen.
DoctorJoJo
(1,134 posts)King_Klonopin
(1,306 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 2, 2018, 04:05 AM - Edit history (1)
His face screams out: shifty little weasel piece-of-shit.
The two faces in Congress most in need of a punch are his and Matt Gaetz's.
Once he has served his purpose (a pawn for Trump and the Rep party)
he will be cast into the trash heap of history. Expect he will announce
he is not running for re-election in hopes he can fade into obscurity -- with
Gowdy and the rest of the scum.
The amount of "conspiracy" going on here is breathtaking.
onenote
(42,748 posts)Eichenwald is right that the constitutional speech and debate clause wouldn't apply to a charge of obstructing justice.
But nothing Nunes has done is going to result in him being charged with obstruction.
progressoid
(49,996 posts)Progressive dog
(6,918 posts)to bring down the rule of law.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Hey Dustbin, are you a Very Stable Genius too?