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fleur-de-lisa

(14,628 posts)
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:30 PM Feb 2018

Eichenwald: Probability Nunes will go to jail for obstruction just increased by about 40%








Kurt Eichenwald @kurteichenwald 1:06 PM - Jan 31, 2018

The probability @DevinNunes will ultimately go to jail for obstruction has just increased by about 40% given that he won't deny he had his staff work with the White House on the "attack the FBI" memo that Trump's FBI says is packed with lies. No more congressional immunity, dude.

...to explain: Members of Congress have assorted immunities in doing their jobs. (Doesn't include felonies.) BUT, once you cross the line and start working with another branch of government on non-legislative issues to block a criminal investigation, immunity is dead.

...the bottom line, @DevinNunes: You need to stop thinking you can do whatever you want to subvert Mueller and consult a good criminal lawyer - not some partisan hack. Somebody who knows the law needs to explain to you the peril you have created for yourself.

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Eichenwald: Probability Nunes will go to jail for obstruction just increased by about 40% (Original Post) fleur-de-lisa Feb 2018 OP
PLEEEEEEEASE BE TRUE!!!!! BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #1
Yeah, I'd like to believe that. Lindsay Feb 2018 #2
... BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #3
THESE laws aren't controlled by Republicans. They're not Hortensis Feb 2018 #31
Lyin' Ryan Scarsdale Feb 2018 #45
Observers say these behaviors are breaking years Hortensis Feb 2018 #47
"We're living IN the pages of this improbable best-seller..." longship Feb 2018 #53
This makes my blood run cold. MontanaMama Feb 2018 #4
You and I can't... Stonepounder Feb 2018 #6
Here's an interesting thought.... sdfernando Feb 2018 #20
He also has Armenian investors. haele Feb 2018 #21
He has been lobbying for Pentagon waste fraud and abuse. Marcuse Feb 2018 #38
I remember Cheney doing the same thing in the late '80s... haele Feb 2018 #41
Ryan - By Protecting Nunes - Should Go To Jail As Well For Obstruction.....nt global1 Feb 2018 #5
But Ryan and Nunes both think they are above the law..don't they? Stuart G Feb 2018 #9
I hope Nunes doesn't get a great criminal lawyer NewJeffCT Feb 2018 #7
I agree. Much cheaper, and he has done very well. nt NCjack Feb 2018 #16
Lock 'em ALL up! Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #8
Death is what Nunes will earn Weed Man Feb 2018 #10
Dude. maxsolomon Feb 2018 #19
40%? Where does Eichenwald come up with that? I would just say "significantly increased" triron Feb 2018 #11
We keep reading all these Tweets, but a month will pass and nothing will happen. C Moon Feb 2018 #12
I don't think he's sold his soul to trump, rainin Feb 2018 #13
Yes, that makes sense. bucolic_frolic Feb 2018 #14
So what's taking so long? OliverQ Feb 2018 #15
The prison will need to build a new wing just to house all these Republicans. procon Feb 2018 #17
I think the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office still has some tents jmowreader Feb 2018 #33
tRump is keeping Scarsdale Feb 2018 #46
Great idea FakeNoose Feb 2018 #50
Eichenwald is Whistling Dixie maxsolomon Feb 2018 #18
I think Nunes is aware of the legal peril he has chosen to place Enoki33 Feb 2018 #22
This makes sense. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #30
Lock Nunes up Gothmog Feb 2018 #23
Maybe he's been promised a presidential pardon. nt No Vested Interest Feb 2018 #24
Could they really, honestly, in all reality, be THIS stupid? LanternWaste Feb 2018 #25
My Dad used to say Phoenix61 Feb 2018 #28
That sums it up Cosmocat Feb 2018 #36
A lot of these RePutin Party traitors were sucked in by Russian cash. fleur-de-lisa Feb 2018 #32
I Will Believe It When I See It SoCalMusicLover Feb 2018 #26
Nunes doesn't need our help C_U_L8R Feb 2018 #27
Oooooh. I hope he's right. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #29
From my twitter feed Gothmog Feb 2018 #34
Eichenwald deserves some kind of honor for what he has done over the past 3 years rurallib Feb 2018 #35
Well THAT was awesome!!! lindysalsagal Feb 2018 #37
KICK Cha Feb 2018 #39
"Immunity is dead." PLEEEEASE keep consulting partisan hacks, Nunes! Hekate Feb 2018 #40
Fantasy, pure fantasy. fallout87 Feb 2018 #42
A Shitload Of People Are Rooting For Him To Fulfill Our Dreams! DoctorJoJo Feb 2018 #43
Do you think that Nunes would win the Congressional Weasel of the Year Award ? King_Klonopin Feb 2018 #44
Sorry, but the odds Nunes will be charged with any crime are exactly zero. onenote Feb 2018 #48
Yep. Lots of wishful thinking on the left these days. progressoid Feb 2018 #52
Nunes is part of an actual conspiracy Progressive dog Feb 2018 #49
Awesome! I didn't realize that. lagomorph777 Feb 2018 #51

Lindsay

(3,276 posts)
2. Yeah, I'd like to believe that.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:35 PM
Feb 2018

But as long as power is in the hands of Republicans all the way down, nobody's gonna enforce laws on fellow Republicans.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
31. THESE laws aren't controlled by Republicans. They're not
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 05:56 PM
Feb 2018

house rules, they're federal laws.

Right up until now, NO ONE in government from the president down dared to cross the FBI if at all possible. It was considered potentially suicidal. Politics is a very interactive business. If the FBI didn't have information that could hurt one person directly, they could hurt him or whole parties indirectly, such as by prosecuting a major donor.

And here we have the Republican Party declaring war on the FBI. What on earth is causing them to behave this way? Whatever it is, they've screwed up so badly and in so many ways. Desperation.

No surprise. Today's corrupt Republicans' greatest talents are in lying and dirty tricks, but those do not amount to basic competence, much less good survival skills.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
45. Lyin' Ryan
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 07:39 AM
Feb 2018

is encouraging Nunes, all the way. He must not know these rules, or maybe he does and does not care?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
47. Observers say these behaviors are breaking years
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 08:06 AM
Feb 2018

of Ryan's previous pattern. Right or wrong, he was believed to be basically ethical. We know that's extremely subjective, but apparently he worked from inside the system conforming to and using the rules, not smashing them.

So he does knows the rules and always "cared" about them before. We know now they were wrong in seeing him as ethical, but it's likely he also believed this about himself -- before now. Now his behavior has changed dramatically.

Why?! We're living IN the pages of this improbable best-seller and not able to skip ahead.

longship

(40,416 posts)
53. "We're living IN the pages of this improbable best-seller..."
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 01:07 PM
Feb 2018

"and not able to skip ahead."

Gees Louise! You've nailed that one, for sure.

Great analogy!



MontanaMama

(23,337 posts)
4. This makes my blood run cold.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:39 PM
Feb 2018

I cannot imagine selling out my country for anything let alone this pResident.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
6. You and I can't...
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:53 PM
Feb 2018

but ... money and/or power. And the probability that the Ruskies have something on Nunes and others that gives them nightmares at night... nightmares about metal frame beds in small rooms with stainless steel toilets.

sdfernando

(4,939 posts)
20. Here's an interesting thought....
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 04:48 PM
Feb 2018

Nunes had a partner invested in some winery (I think)...the partner died mysteriously and he now has russian partners. Perhaps the ruskies know the circumstances of the partners death and are blackmailing nunes....or perhap the ruskies caused the death and have a way to pin it on nunes..either way the result is the same...they have nunes in their pocket.

haele

(12,674 posts)
21. He also has Armenian investors.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 05:03 PM
Feb 2018

Like Whitey Bulger did. Theres a large "established" Armenian community in California, especially in the secondary agriculture (i.e. juices and other food processing) businesses. There's also been quite a lot of questionable imports and exports in those communities.
Just saying.

Haele

haele

(12,674 posts)
41. I remember Cheney doing the same thing in the late '80s...
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 09:27 PM
Feb 2018

And a lot of prime DoD property, especially base housing, ended up as new McMansion type housing developments and business parks...all bought or funded by businesses and investors who have strong ties with the GOP, instead of being turned over to other federal departments or to the states or communities those properties were located.

Haele

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
7. I hope Nunes doesn't get a great criminal lawyer
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 03:59 PM
Feb 2018

he should rely on his own wits and instincts to get him through.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
13. I don't think he's sold his soul to trump,
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 04:11 PM
Feb 2018

I think he's a Russian agent. He does what his handlers tell him to do.

bucolic_frolic

(43,258 posts)
14. Yes, that makes sense.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 04:29 PM
Feb 2018

The moves are rather crude. If they had outside domestic help, it would sound plausible. But these steps are either poorly thought through or one level removed from actual legal knowledge.

procon

(15,805 posts)
17. The prison will need to build a new wing just to house all these Republicans.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 04:46 PM
Feb 2018

Call it the Trump Memorial Gulag?

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
46. tRump is keeping
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 07:45 AM
Feb 2018

Gitmo open, send the entire gop there. Keep them separate, since when two of them get together they figure out a way to screw citizens out of money and rights.

FakeNoose

(32,726 posts)
50. Great idea
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 12:59 PM
Feb 2018

I was going to say, send them all to Puerto Rico and move the Puerto Rican natives to nice properties in Palm Beach. Maybe they can have Mar-A-Lago since Trump's going to lose all his properties anyway.

Trump didn't want to spend a dime to help PR, now he can go live there and clean it up himself.

maxsolomon

(33,384 posts)
18. Eichenwald is Whistling Dixie
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 04:47 PM
Feb 2018

There's no will, no mechanism to hold Nunes to account beyond 11/2018.

Even then...

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
22. I think Nunes is aware of the legal peril he has chosen to place
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 05:31 PM
Feb 2018

himself in. He has done so because it is the better alternative to being charged with being an agent of Russia and their supporting cast of criminal oligarchs. Espionage is a very serious charge. Anger forces me to say that he is representative of the cast of traitors that dotard has assembled in his despotic power grab on behalf of a hostile foreign power. The entire GOP has to be fumigated.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
25. Could they really, honestly, in all reality, be THIS stupid?
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 05:44 PM
Feb 2018

It's difficult for me believe that a member of congress, even Nunes could be so incredibly ignorant of this stuff.

I get it.. it's fun to call them idiots and dullards and nincompoops, but damn! could they really, honestly, in all reality, be THIS stupid?

For Pete's sake, these are adults with college educations who are savvy enough to get elected by hook or by crook. How can someone, anyone who can do that be so pig-ignorant as to jeopardize not only their career, but their own freedom?

Sure... maybe I give them far too much credit, but is it really the fact that Moe Howard from the Three Stooges is President, the House is Looney Tunes. and GOP leadership is nothing but a less-than-entertaining version of Wile E. Coyote, Super-Genius?

Maybe people are simply not as smart as I've thought. I've been thinking these guys were adhering to a plan... a weird, imported-from-another-planet, written-by-a-different-species plan that was easy-peasey to them but incomprehensible to us. Three dimensional Candyland.

But maybe they really are simply a bunch of idiots.

Phoenix61

(17,017 posts)
28. My Dad used to say
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 05:51 PM
Feb 2018

It's difficult to tell the difference between corruption and incompetence, they look the same. I think Nunes is both. Corrupt as hell and dumb as a box of rocks.

fleur-de-lisa

(14,628 posts)
32. A lot of these RePutin Party traitors were sucked in by Russian cash.
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 05:57 PM
Feb 2018

Anything to win an election, right?

Putin is a hell of a spy. He knows how to entrap people better than anyone on Earth.

I think Nunes saw information that he feared might implicate him, which is why he ran to the WH in the middle of the night last year and steared himself down this slippery slope.

Since then he's just been digging himself deeper into this hole. He knows there's no way out unless the FBI can be tainted.

C_U_L8R

(45,019 posts)
27. Nunes doesn't need our help
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 05:49 PM
Feb 2018

He's doing a fantastic job putting the noose around his own neck.

Heckovajob Dev !!!

rurallib

(62,444 posts)
35. Eichenwald deserves some kind of honor for what he has done over the past 3 years
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 07:41 PM
Feb 2018

I am not sure how they assess honorees, but this guy to me is living "Profile In Courage."

lindysalsagal

(20,726 posts)
37. Well THAT was awesome!!!
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 08:03 PM
Feb 2018

The gop is a circular firing squad. Morons.

"No problem! No one has to know we took Russian mob money! Here: Take some! There's lots more!"

Hekate

(90,778 posts)
40. "Immunity is dead." PLEEEEASE keep consulting partisan hacks, Nunes!
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 09:23 PM
Feb 2018


Hey, Nunes! May all the grapes in your Russian-backed vineyards turn to raisins! May all the wine in your winery turn to vinegar! And may you go to prison!

King_Klonopin

(1,306 posts)
44. Do you think that Nunes would win the Congressional Weasel of the Year Award ?
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 02:37 AM
Feb 2018

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His face screams out: shifty little weasel piece-of-shit.

The two faces in Congress most in need of a punch are his and Matt Gaetz's.

Once he has served his purpose (a pawn for Trump and the Rep party)
he will be cast into the trash heap of history. Expect he will announce
he is not running for re-election in hopes he can fade into obscurity -- with
Gowdy and the rest of the scum.

The amount of "conspiracy" going on here is breathtaking.

onenote

(42,748 posts)
48. Sorry, but the odds Nunes will be charged with any crime are exactly zero.
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 09:21 AM
Feb 2018

Eichenwald is right that the constitutional speech and debate clause wouldn't apply to a charge of obstructing justice.

But nothing Nunes has done is going to result in him being charged with obstruction.

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