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babylonsister

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Thu Feb 1, 2018, 05:02 PM Feb 2018

Unprecedented: 9 historians on why Trumps war with the FBI is so stunning


“Unprecedented”: 9 historians on why Trump’s war with the FBI is so stunning
“I can’t think of a single time any president has done anything like this.”
By Sean Illing@seanillingsean.illing@vox.com Feb 1, 2018, 1:10pm EST

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I reached out to nine historians to ask if there is a precedent for something like this. There’s nothing new about tension between the FBI and the president, but it seems unusual for a president to so publicly challenge the independence of the bureau and the Justice Department.

Mainly, I was curious to know if we’ve entered uncharted territory — and will this undermine the independence of the FBI and the Justice Department?

Their full responses, lightly edited for clarity and style, are below.

Douglas M. Charles, professor of history, Penn State University

Regarding the current antagonism between the White House and FBI, there is no good historical precedent. Never has a president of the United States attacked the FBI so publicly. Furthermore, congressional committees with oversight responsibilities have also never openly attacked the FBI in this way.

In the J. Edgar Hoover days (1924-1972), the FBI worked in some cases to advance the political interests of the White House: Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s foreign policy interests, Eisenhower’s anti-communist interests, Lyndon Johnson’s and Nixon’s political intelligence interests.

When Harry Truman was president and allegedly was “soft on communism,” FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover secretly worked with congressional committees and Sen. Joe McCarthy to advance the anti-communist cause, but there was never a public rift between the FBI and the White House.

The idea that a president would so publicly condemn the FBI and its work is unprecedented, and does appear to be an effort to pull the FBI back into the presidential orbit as an agency doing its bidding.


Rhodri Jeffreys-Jones, professor of history, University of Edinburgh

There have been tensions in the past between the White House and the FBI. For example, President Johnson made it known that he was disappointed the FBI could not prove there were communists behind the domestic protest movement against the Vietnam War. The CIA concluded the same, and LBJ had to abandon any urge he may have felt to fire the bureau’s director, J. Edgar Hoover. But that fracas was a storm in a teacup compared with today’s confrontation.

It seems to me that there has been incompetence all round. Russian President Vladimir Putin rightly thought there was a chance of an ally in the White House, [and] then, to further that goal, sanctioned interference in the presidential election. Donald Trump indeed wanted to be friends with Russia but suffers from Putin-like hubris ... and has thwarted his own aim in that he cannot now be friends with Russia without appearing to be part of Putin’s conspiracy.

What happens to the FBI may seem a side issue compared with all this, but presidential disrespect for the law is reminiscent of Richard Nixon’s behavior, which led to his resignation in disgrace.



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I just did not know this about Johnson... asiliveandbreathe Feb 2018 #1
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asiliveandbreathe

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1. I just did not know this about Johnson...
Thu Feb 1, 2018, 05:24 PM
Feb 2018
President Johnson made it known that he was disappointed the FBI could not prove there were communists behind the domestic protest movement against the Vietnam War. The CIA concluded the same

The domestic anti-war protests against the VN war communist inspired?? - FBI, CIA could not prove it..gee I wonder why - considering we lost 1/2 a generation of American men...so very profoundly sad - real American Patriots protested to stop the war in VN..we will do it again....
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