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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAfter nearly four years of Barack Obama, is white America still uneasy with a black man in the WH?
This is the story of a dinner party.
It occurred in a suburban middle-class community maybe slightly upscale middle class, but not much just outside one of our big cities. Pretty typical place.
The guests all knew each other. They were neighbors or friends or acquaintances whod been to these parties many times. They were white, every one, mostly businessmen and their wives, and some engineers who work or once worked in the nearby defense industries.
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It was about at that point, as the conversation edged warily toward the touchy subject of politics, that one fellow a bit of a curmudgeon asked if anybody thought President Obama had not been born in America.
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For a moment, no one said a thing. People looked at one another. Then a lady who had moved to the area from Virginia raised her hand. I do, she said. One by one other hands were raised until it was clear most of guests thought Obama had not been born here.
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http://blog.nj.com/njv_john_farmer/2012/07/after_nearly_four_years_of_bar.html
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)So am I ... But I'd be accused of being a racist if I were to do so.
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)During the '08 primaries, I declared my support for Candidate Obama and one of my rightwing friends actually said, "Of course you'll support him ... you're Black!"
After I stopped laughing, I asked: "So you're supporting McCain because he's white, right?"
Even after I explained my perception of the policy differences between the Democratic candidates and my perception that Candidate Obama had the weight of threshold characteristics, like charisma and superior oratory skills, I still don't think he got it.
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)Ignorance is bliss for so many people. They shut off their minds and put them on automatic at some point in their lives and forget that they have mental skills.
I grew up in the 60's here in Cleveland. There was a lot of racial tension. It's one of the reasons I decided to be a democrat, to tell the truth. Carl Stokes was running for Mayor in '67. I was nine years old. My aunt took me to one of the hundreds of street fairs and church festivals that at that time was one of the best things to do as a kid.
One of the festivals was St. Rocco's on the near west side. Carl Stokes showed up and made his way through the crowd. I didn't know how dangerous that was for him at the time, I was only 9, but I took his hand when he offered and he said I hope I can count on your vote little man and then he was off into the crowd.
I don't think he made too many friends because years later I looked over the precinct by precinct voter tally's. Of the couple thousand votes cast in that election in what was St. Rocco's Parish boundaries, there were less than 100 votes cast for him.
After that, I realized what a courageous man he was. I got to meet him later when I was the treasurer for the Democratic Party, but he was already suffering the ravages of Alzheimer's. He was a great man and I will never forget that day.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)And knew Carl and his brother Lou, personally.
It would not surpise me if I also knew/have run into you, as well!
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)of depression, which is turning my neighborhood into a ghetto.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)you jump all over Congress for their responsibility by sitting like a lump on Capitol Hill and doing squat.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)if it makes you feel better, i consider congress a pack of criminals.
but i'll add, i have serious issues with the president's education policies, and they're on *his* head, not congress's. nobody's blocking his hand in that department, they're fully on-board with the destruction of public schools.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)arne duncan, *he* applauded mass firing of school personnel, and *he* is selling the destruction of public education as "reform".
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)...power than the executive branch. The House can override presidential vetos and that's been fact for 200 years
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)complaints about his admin?
bullshit.
spin
(17,493 posts)Obviously the same people who didn't vote for Obama because he wasn't white will refuse to vote for him in the second election.
I feel most white voters chose Obama to be President because he promised hope and change and looked like he just might be a truly great leader that could make a true difference in the future of our nation.
I feel that those white voters who did vote for Obama still personally like him but are somewhat disappointed with the fact that little has changed in Washington and both parties and also that he didn't use his charisma to force both parties to stop fighting with each other like unsupervised children in a playground. Many are also unhappy with how slow our economic recovery has been and often any President has to take the blame for a lack of a poor economy when election day arrives.
If McCain or Hillary had been elected many white voters would feel let down just as they do now.
I understand that the Great Recession was far deeper than anyone predicted and it is unrealistic to feel that any President could overcome the problems we faced in one term. FDR, possibly the greatest President of the last century, couldn't overcome the Great Depression in four years.
The upcoming election will be close but fortunately Romney is a weak candidate.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)way out the door. A bigot is a freaking bigot--I don't care how upscale they are.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)A bunch of ignorant dumbasses.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I doubt the topic would have been raised!
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)if they allow vermin like that woman in their home.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...and he was a Harry one!
Pakid
(478 posts)I would have had a lot less friends and chances are I would never be invited to dinner in that house again!
Bellerophon
(50 posts)Family are way more important than politics.... And to perfectly honest the peope I know that are not obama supports are against his policies and actions not the color of his skin.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)and the regular comments about him being un-American or not knowing what America stands for lead me to believe that many people in this country don't consider black Americans to be truly American.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)..
The stupid and hate just seem to go on.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Or to make that lady feel less embarrassed. It would be interesting to contact them later and see what they really think.
What about the guy who asked the question? What did he think?
Very interesting. It's been so thoroughly debunked, that a person has to be quite unpolitical to still think that.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)and he rounded up everyone else and sent us to FEMA camps
dembotoz
(16,844 posts)ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)I voted for Obama, and will again. So will everyone in my immediate family. We are all white. These fucks at their fancy dinner party just don't want to pay taxes. Fuck them. They probably cluck clucked when Clinton was impeached about how he had disgraced the Oval Office too.
cali
(114,904 posts)overwhelmingly for Obama and will again and this state in like 98% white. it's the worst thing about it.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)Suburban, slightly upscale, businessmen and their wives, engineers in defense industries or retired ones-and I doubt there's much racial or economic diversity there to speak of.
This isn't a surprise to me, though. Such suburbs (and their younger cousins, the exurbs) are the core of the modern Republican Party, not rural areas or small towns.
malthaussen
(17,217 posts)spanone
(135,886 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Whatever the hell that is.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Just line sexism, we won't be free of it for a long time.
Many people aren't even conscious of their bigotries.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)It's very sad and disturbing.
reflection
(6,286 posts)I can tell you, yes, there are many people who obsess about it and will never get over it, even when Obama is gone. They view it as some kind of stain on the office.
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MineralMan
(146,333 posts)There are caucasians in America. They do not represent a unified group of political or other beliefs. I'm a white American. If the people you're talking about aren't comfortable with President Obama because he has dark skin, then I'm not part of that group. Yet, I am a white American.
Another example of expanding a minor anecdote into a generalization.
That's a common logical error. One of the most common. Please don't be common.
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)I am white also, but I have lots of blood relatives who are black, Latino and Asian and they all have kids and grandkids of their own now too. And I am proud of every one of them.
When we have our annual family reunion it looks like the Rainbow Coalition.
I was just thinking about this yesterday.
Don
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)I'd like to say "Unbelieveable", but I cannot.
soccer1
(343 posts)But, there will always be some who are bit uncomfortable.So the republicans get the "he's not one of us" out there to try and make sure they don't lose any more republicans to Obama than they already have.
gkhouston
(21,642 posts)A few minds have changed, and some people have died, but yeah, if race was a big thing to someone four years ago, it probably still is. I never really think of Obama as being a black man. Obviously, he is, but he's the President, not the black President.
nanabugg
(2,198 posts)competent as he is and mostly making a lot white men look stupid and evil.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)she's uncomfortable with a brother in the WH, yet she says she's not racist. How the Sam Hell is that possible??