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cali

(114,904 posts)
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 04:47 AM Jul 2012

After nearly four years of Barack Obama, is white America still uneasy with a black man in the WH?

This is the story of a dinner party.

It occurred in a suburban middle-class community — maybe slightly upscale middle class, but not much — just outside one of our big cities. Pretty typical place.

The guests all knew each other. They were neighbors or friends or acquaintances who’d been to these parties many times. They were white, every one, mostly businessmen and their wives, and some engineers who work or once worked in the nearby defense industries.

<snip>

It was about at that point, as the conversation edged warily toward the touchy subject of politics, that one fellow — a bit of a curmudgeon — asked if anybody thought President Obama had not been born in America.

<snip>

For a moment, no one said a thing. People looked at one another. Then a lady who had moved to the area from Virginia raised her hand. “I do,” she said. One by one other hands were raised until it was clear most of guests thought Obama had not been born here.

<snip>

http://blog.nj.com/njv_john_farmer/2012/07/after_nearly_four_years_of_bar.html

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After nearly four years of Barack Obama, is white America still uneasy with a black man in the WH? (Original Post) cali Jul 2012 OP
I can't speak for the rest of us but I have been completely happy with a blackman in the oval office WCGreen Jul 2012 #1
I would say ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #35
Good thing I know I'm not a racist.... WCGreen Jul 2012 #38
My comment reflects real life experience ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #40
Crack me up.... WCGreen Jul 2012 #41
I'm Cleveland born and breed ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #43
i have no problem with a black man in the wh, i have a problem with some of his policies and 4 years HiPointDem Jul 2012 #2
I'm so waiting for the day that Skidmore Jul 2012 #4
like it or not, the president is the head of the federal government and is the focus for complaints. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #6
A pack of criminals without responsibility apparently. Skidmore Jul 2012 #7
obama's education policy is not being blocked by congress. *he* picked the education-deformer HiPointDem Jul 2012 #8
This is false on it's face and FUDr retoric to say the least. Congress has ALWAYS by design had MORE uponit7771 Jul 2012 #14
it's false that the president is head of the federal gov't? it's false that he's the focus for HiPointDem Jul 2012 #18
I honestly don't think so ... spin Jul 2012 #3
This would have been a party I would walk out of without hesitation, and would tell them why on the Skidmore Jul 2012 #5
Same here deutsey Jul 2012 #29
If I had been there ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #36
I'd stop going to that person's dinner parties SemperEadem Jul 2012 #9
We already had a Blackmun on the Supreme Court jberryhill Jul 2012 #10
After I had gotten done speaking my mind Pakid Jul 2012 #11
To me friends or Bellerophon Jul 2012 #34
The continuing questions about where he's from despite his birth certificate being public gollygee Jul 2012 #12
+1, that's why when someone talks about American Exceptional-ism it smacks of white supremacy uponit7771 Jul 2012 #16
+1 Irishonly Jul 2012 #32
I wonder if it was one of those things where people want to seem to think what everyone else does treestar Jul 2012 #13
its cause he enslaved white people and brought in Sharia Law NightWatcher Jul 2012 #15
i still get racist obama emails from rethug relatives dembotoz Jul 2012 #17
I object being lumped in with these fuckers ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #19
don't take it personally. Hell, I live in VT which voted cali Jul 2012 #22
Sounds like a Republican-voting place YoungDemCA Jul 2012 #20
White bigots certainly are. n/t malthaussen Jul 2012 #21
americans are free to be as ignorant as they wish spanone Jul 2012 #23
No. Just Anglo-Saxon America. KamaAina Jul 2012 #24
Because racism is bone-deep. redqueen Jul 2012 #25
I want to say no, but the actions of the GOP point n another direction. Marrah_G Jul 2012 #26
Living in TN, reflection Jul 2012 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #28
White America? No such thing. MineralMan Jul 2012 #30
Man, I agree with that statement wholeheartedly NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #44
Well, if the Plain Dealer's LTTE section is any indication . . . HughBeaumont Jul 2012 #31
No, I don't think so. soccer1 Jul 2012 #33
Most of the people who had a problem with it four years ago probably still do. gkhouston Jul 2012 #37
Not really. They just say they are. But they just really hate seeing him as President and being as nanabugg Jul 2012 #39
That one lady said that Jamaal510 Jul 2012 #42

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
1. I can't speak for the rest of us but I have been completely happy with a blackman in the oval office
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 05:21 AM
Jul 2012
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
40. My comment reflects real life experience ...
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 11:13 AM
Jul 2012

During the '08 primaries, I declared my support for Candidate Obama and one of my rightwing friends actually said, "Of course you'll support him ... you're Black!"

After I stopped laughing, I asked: "So you're supporting McCain because he's white, right?"

Even after I explained my perception of the policy differences between the Democratic candidates and my perception that Candidate Obama had the weight of threshold characteristics, like charisma and superior oratory skills, I still don't think he got it.

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
41. Crack me up....
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 12:07 PM
Jul 2012

Ignorance is bliss for so many people. They shut off their minds and put them on automatic at some point in their lives and forget that they have mental skills.

I grew up in the 60's here in Cleveland. There was a lot of racial tension. It's one of the reasons I decided to be a democrat, to tell the truth. Carl Stokes was running for Mayor in '67. I was nine years old. My aunt took me to one of the hundreds of street fairs and church festivals that at that time was one of the best things to do as a kid.

One of the festivals was St. Rocco's on the near west side. Carl Stokes showed up and made his way through the crowd. I didn't know how dangerous that was for him at the time, I was only 9, but I took his hand when he offered and he said I hope I can count on your vote little man and then he was off into the crowd.

I don't think he made too many friends because years later I looked over the precinct by precinct voter tally's. Of the couple thousand votes cast in that election in what was St. Rocco's Parish boundaries, there were less than 100 votes cast for him.

After that, I realized what a courageous man he was. I got to meet him later when I was the treasurer for the Democratic Party, but he was already suffering the ravages of Alzheimer's. He was a great man and I will never forget that day.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
43. I'm Cleveland born and breed ...
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 01:16 PM
Jul 2012

And knew Carl and his brother Lou, personally.

It would not surpise me if I also knew/have run into you, as well!

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
2. i have no problem with a black man in the wh, i have a problem with some of his policies and 4 years
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 05:24 AM
Jul 2012

of depression, which is turning my neighborhood into a ghetto.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
4. I'm so waiting for the day that
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 06:22 AM
Jul 2012

you jump all over Congress for their responsibility by sitting like a lump on Capitol Hill and doing squat.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
6. like it or not, the president is the head of the federal government and is the focus for complaints.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 06:39 AM
Jul 2012

if it makes you feel better, i consider congress a pack of criminals.

but i'll add, i have serious issues with the president's education policies, and they're on *his* head, not congress's. nobody's blocking his hand in that department, they're fully on-board with the destruction of public schools.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
8. obama's education policy is not being blocked by congress. *he* picked the education-deformer
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 06:45 AM
Jul 2012

arne duncan, *he* applauded mass firing of school personnel, and *he* is selling the destruction of public education as "reform".

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
14. This is false on it's face and FUDr retoric to say the least. Congress has ALWAYS by design had MORE
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:25 AM
Jul 2012

...power than the executive branch. The House can override presidential vetos and that's been fact for 200 years

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
18. it's false that the president is head of the federal gov't? it's false that he's the focus for
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 01:33 PM
Jul 2012

complaints about his admin?

bullshit.

spin

(17,493 posts)
3. I honestly don't think so ...
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 05:31 AM
Jul 2012

Obviously the same people who didn't vote for Obama because he wasn't white will refuse to vote for him in the second election.

I feel most white voters chose Obama to be President because he promised hope and change and looked like he just might be a truly great leader that could make a true difference in the future of our nation.

I feel that those white voters who did vote for Obama still personally like him but are somewhat disappointed with the fact that little has changed in Washington and both parties and also that he didn't use his charisma to force both parties to stop fighting with each other like unsupervised children in a playground. Many are also unhappy with how slow our economic recovery has been and often any President has to take the blame for a lack of a poor economy when election day arrives.

If McCain or Hillary had been elected many white voters would feel let down just as they do now.

I understand that the Great Recession was far deeper than anyone predicted and it is unrealistic to feel that any President could overcome the problems we faced in one term. FDR, possibly the greatest President of the last century, couldn't overcome the Great Depression in four years.

The upcoming election will be close but fortunately Romney is a weak candidate.



Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
5. This would have been a party I would walk out of without hesitation, and would tell them why on the
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 06:24 AM
Jul 2012

way out the door. A bigot is a freaking bigot--I don't care how upscale they are.

Pakid

(478 posts)
11. After I had gotten done speaking my mind
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 06:57 AM
Jul 2012

I would have had a lot less friends and chances are I would never be invited to dinner in that house again!

 

Bellerophon

(50 posts)
34. To me friends or
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 04:57 PM
Jul 2012

Family are way more important than politics.... And to perfectly honest the peope I know that are not obama supports are against his policies and actions not the color of his skin.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
12. The continuing questions about where he's from despite his birth certificate being public
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 07:12 AM
Jul 2012

and the regular comments about him being un-American or not knowing what America stands for lead me to believe that many people in this country don't consider black Americans to be truly American.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
13. I wonder if it was one of those things where people want to seem to think what everyone else does
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:23 AM
Jul 2012

Or to make that lady feel less embarrassed. It would be interesting to contact them later and see what they really think.

What about the guy who asked the question? What did he think?

Very interesting. It's been so thoroughly debunked, that a person has to be quite unpolitical to still think that.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
15. its cause he enslaved white people and brought in Sharia Law
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:27 AM
Jul 2012

and he rounded up everyone else and sent us to FEMA camps

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
19. I object being lumped in with these fuckers
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 01:46 PM
Jul 2012

I voted for Obama, and will again. So will everyone in my immediate family. We are all white. These fucks at their fancy dinner party just don't want to pay taxes. Fuck them. They probably cluck clucked when Clinton was impeached about how he had disgraced the Oval Office too.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
22. don't take it personally. Hell, I live in VT which voted
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 03:41 PM
Jul 2012

overwhelmingly for Obama and will again and this state in like 98% white. it's the worst thing about it.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
20. Sounds like a Republican-voting place
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 01:53 PM
Jul 2012

Suburban, slightly upscale, businessmen and their wives, engineers in defense industries or retired ones-and I doubt there's much racial or economic diversity there to speak of.

This isn't a surprise to me, though. Such suburbs (and their younger cousins, the exurbs) are the core of the modern Republican Party, not rural areas or small towns.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
25. Because racism is bone-deep.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 03:48 PM
Jul 2012

Just line sexism, we won't be free of it for a long time.

Many people aren't even conscious of their bigotries.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
26. I want to say no, but the actions of the GOP point n another direction.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 03:48 PM
Jul 2012

It's very sad and disturbing.

reflection

(6,286 posts)
27. Living in TN,
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 03:57 PM
Jul 2012

I can tell you, yes, there are many people who obsess about it and will never get over it, even when Obama is gone. They view it as some kind of stain on the office.

Response to cali (Original post)

MineralMan

(146,333 posts)
30. White America? No such thing.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 04:41 PM
Jul 2012

There are caucasians in America. They do not represent a unified group of political or other beliefs. I'm a white American. If the people you're talking about aren't comfortable with President Obama because he has dark skin, then I'm not part of that group. Yet, I am a white American.

Another example of expanding a minor anecdote into a generalization.

That's a common logical error. One of the most common. Please don't be common.

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
44. Man, I agree with that statement wholeheartedly
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 02:01 PM
Jul 2012

I am white also, but I have lots of blood relatives who are black, Latino and Asian and they all have kids and grandkids of their own now too. And I am proud of every one of them.

When we have our annual family reunion it looks like the Rainbow Coalition.

I was just thinking about this yesterday.

Don

soccer1

(343 posts)
33. No, I don't think so.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 04:49 PM
Jul 2012

But, there will always be some who are bit uncomfortable.So the republicans get the "he's not one of us" out there to try and make sure they don't lose any more republicans to Obama than they already have.

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
37. Most of the people who had a problem with it four years ago probably still do.
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 05:12 PM
Jul 2012

A few minds have changed, and some people have died, but yeah, if race was a big thing to someone four years ago, it probably still is. I never really think of Obama as being a black man. Obviously, he is, but he's the President, not the black President.

 

nanabugg

(2,198 posts)
39. Not really. They just say they are. But they just really hate seeing him as President and being as
Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:30 PM
Jul 2012

competent as he is and mostly making a lot white men look stupid and evil.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
42. That one lady said that
Thu Jul 26, 2012, 12:41 PM
Jul 2012

she's uncomfortable with a brother in the WH, yet she says she's not racist. How the Sam Hell is that possible??

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