And not just for petty reasons such as setting an example or extracting revenge. We need to know exactly what to watch out for to keep our democracy safe from madmen and cheats. That means a deep analysis of all crimes committed.

the products of his children.

I don't think that he gave Russian agents a free run of his office. And I don't think that he publicly clashed with our national security agencies.

allowed the biggest terrorist attack in American history, crashed the economy, drowned a city, etc

and just as angry. even now.

people are still dying EVERY DAY because of that warmaongering bastard

and was responsible for Citizens United.
I think the entire cabal should have been indicted for crimes against the American people.

The very worst Supreme Court decision in my lifetime was Bush vs. Gore.

He and Cheney and his entire administration should have been subjected to a Nuremberg-type trial, not just impeachment.

Yes we were attacked during 9-11, but violating the Geneva Convention was a violation of international norms that an earlier generation of Americans had a major part in enacting. Unlike a bad actor committing atrocities, this was government policy. In a country based on government of, by, and for the people, his actions tainted everyone of us with his debased policies.

Even Trump can't rehabilitate him in my eyes. But Bush set the stage for Trump. If Americans could go along with a president whose policy included torture, and who was never held accountable, it's not so great a descent to choosing a malignant paranoid narcissist.

i haven't forgotten & i certainly have not forgiven
i am still so not over that bush cabal
and they all just fucking got up and walked away.
unbelievable

I ESPECIALLY cringe when I hear Trump is making Dubya look good

they should all be rotting in jail

Harris? Whatever happened to her?

He did not get a foreign country to do this for him.

Just want to stay on facts.

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he fucking stole it, with the help of his Supreme Court buddies

It was more important that Obama get a chance to pull the economy out of the tank -- for which he needed some Republican votes -- than to go after Bush.

The word is out: Republican presidents ARE above the law.

it's silly to say that white people that voted for people like bush, nixon, trump etc would not have voted for one or more of them if the one before was impeached.

People are less likely to engage in misconduct/illegal activity if they believe they are likely to be held accountable under the law. Similarly, if we repeatedly refuse or fail to hold people accountable, they soon get the message that they are above the law.

but resigned before it could happen.

The Trumpanistas need to be brought to justice to make certain it doesn't happen again.

but if Mueller's investigation turns up some truly damning evidence then I'd say the odds are good that you'd get some Republicans voting to impeach. (Trump wouldn't be impeached though, he'd resign and get a pardon, like Nixon.)

If our elected leaders refuse to hold presidents accountable then presidential lawlessness becomes an acceptable norm. Ford put us on this path with his pardon of Nixon, but Pelosi furthered it by putting impeachement off the table.

If we want our country back ever again, this better not happen with Trump.

I don't care if it's Club Fed or whatever but Donny Two Scoops should never be a free man again.

I want him to have all his and his assets seized then stripped naked and put into a HUGE stadium full of Dems. Sort of like the Roman Colosseum.

How about put him in a room full of union contractors who did work for him and didn't get paid- then lock the door and walk away.

right along side Cheney.

Even if we regain the majority in the House this Fall and Democrats impeach Trump, the Senate will require 60 votes, which Democrats will not have. A couple of Republicans might join Dems, but probably not enough to get to 60. So if Trump is not impeached and he continues in office, which I think he would, the best we could hope for is a Congress that at least obstructs his worst changes. I would be thrilled if we could get to 52 in the Senate, enough to stop Trump from appointing a right-wing Supreme Court justice if the opportunity arises. If Trump is not impeached or indicted (because he is a sitting president), I think the country is in for an even rougher ride because he will think he has won and can do whatever he pleases.

replies. Which is actually fully 50% of what DU is, and why not! All of politics is like fortune telling, guessing at the future.
Anyway, here goes. How will you feel when Pelosi again says “impeachment is off the table”? Because I speculate that she will.

on a platform of prosecuting the bush administration .

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As stated above - in 2006 and 2008 we had to stop the great recession from becoming a great depression. We had to stop, or, at least, reduce our involvement in the never ending wars in the Middle East. And, of course, we had to get the ACA out. And not a moment too soon since once Ted Kennedy died and Scott Brown came we lost the 60 votes.

(I've often wondered, had Kennedy resigned after he suffered a stroke on inauguration day, and the voters in MA were still euphoric, whether we would not have had his seat filled immediately by a Democrat.)

Impeachments, really, come and go. I think that impeaching Clinton was the Republicans' revenge for Nixon.

But I think that it is important that we should never have another Trump again. That the "yearning" for a business person to run the country is dangerous and can inflict long term damages. That letting a president consider the presidency as his personal playing field. To do and say what he wants regardless of the consequences. To ignore and belittle long standing customs of how to run a government, to brazenly "befriend" foreign officers, to openly use his office to promote his business without even bothering to hide or to explain..

Wanted to add: someone who does not demand loyalty from federal employees whose sole loyalty should be for the Constitution. Someone who does not see national security agents as his enemies.

Impeachment proceedings will not force him to open his business dealing. Indictment will.

(I think).

assure white folks, especially white men, that they---we---are just better than those---you know---THOSE people. They reenforce white privilege and tell us it's OK to be bigots and racists. And, since hate and stereotypes are easier---take less thought and effort---than love and tolerance, lazy white people vote for these miscreants because "they think like me!"

They don't think like me. My Mama raised me right.

...so any attempt to impeach Dubya would have likely been written off as payback for that. Which isn’t true but that’s how it would be spun, that impeachment is being turned into a mundane political tool.

Fact is, the situation we find ourselves in today is the exact reason for impeachment. It’s an extreme option but these are extreme circumstances.

and removal from office

She knew he was worse than Bush.

She knew she did not have the votes. Or rather the Senate would never convict. In politics you never fight a battle you can’t win. We just re-learned that on DACA and the shutdown.

Bush/Cheney lied to the American people and to Congress in the commission of war crimes.

Impeachment wasn't enough; they should be in prison.

The entire machine of Republican corruption needs to be laid bare for the American public and the earth beneath it scorched and salted for a hundred generations.

Every time we give these crooks a pass, then it becomes okay for them to test the waters a little bit more. They commit some other unacceptable crime. But then we give them a free pass for that. This has happened over and over and over again for 43 years. And now we are reaching the logical conclusion of 43 years of "just letting things go". When you suggest that your President is above the law, he eventually will be, unless you shut it down.