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A lot of liberals dont have much love for the senator from West Virginia, but he just showed others in the party how to reply when this White House comes at you.
Michael Tomasky
02.01.18 1:31 PM ET
Liberals like to scoff at Joe Manchin, but after yesterday I think its pretty obvious that a lot of them can learn something from the West Virginia senator. He knows how to hit back.
Vice President Mike Pence was in Lewisburg, West Virginia, Wednesday where he gave a speech that tore into Manchin. Pence attacked Manchins vote against the tax bill and then continued: But its not just the tax cut. Senator Joe Manchin has voted no time and again on the policies that West Virginia needs. When the time came to repeal and replace the disaster of Obamacare, Joe voted no. When we empowered West Virginia to defund Planned Parenthood, Joe voted no.
Manchin, famous for that ad where he shot the cap-and-trade bill, apologized for nothing. He took square aim at Pence and tweeted: The VPs comments are exactly why Washington Sucks. Far from giving any ground, he went on the attack in a second tweet: I am shocked that after the @VP worked for almost a year in a divisive & partisan way to take healthcare away from almost 200k WVians, bankrupt our hospitals & push tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans & huge corporations that he would come to #WV & continue partisan attacks.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mike-pence-swung-at-joe-manchin-and-joe-manchin-hit-back-harder?ref=home
Hav
(5,969 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)That Dem we saw on his feet at the SOTU, enthusiastically applauding Treasonous Trump, was Manchin.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)WV is VERY pro-Trump right now and he's up for re-election this year. Probably shouldn't read too much into it. He's been a reliable "no" vote on Trump/GOP policies so far. His GOP replacement would be an enthusiastic "Yes". Eye on the prize.
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)if anything, Munchin might be trying to be strategic. And strategy is what has been missing in our party for the longest time. We need to be more pragmatic and focus on winning no matter what. We should always remember, its only the voting record that counts, everything else is noise.
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)I'm sure the Dems aren't going to release their strategy. Why attack our side? Please focus on beating the crap out of the repubs!!!!!!!
Is this another bash the Dems post? Do you think Schumer & Nancy haven't done their best to be strategic when they/the Dems in general, have no power?
I am referring to dems in swing and red states.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Still, seeing him front row, big clapping is not great and didn't he vote for the recent tax bill? So saying he's all bravely standing up is excessive praise.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)Feel free to correct me if wrong.
Me.
(35,454 posts)I am wrong on that. He voted with the Cons on the shutdown issue. But if we are honest, for as much as is said about how blue dogs vote more with us than against us, we never know which way they will go...with or against us and it always hold your breath time.
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)Many folks on the left don't understand how diverse our party is. Each state is different, but some folks think all Dems should be on the far progressive side. Hate to tell ya, but that isn't how it goes. Each rep and senator has to get elected in their own states based on how those voters think and feel. BTW the same goes for independent voters who the Dems need to get elected. If the Dems don't win, what the hell good is that?
Juliusseizure
(562 posts)I wish west coast/east coast progressives would understand a bit more you can be a democrat and hold more traditional cultural views.
You can strategize to appeal to conservative democrats.
They're not hateful, they just may focus substantially more on economic issues. They may even like hunting and be NRA members. Not my thing, but not a deal breaker.
Yes, it would be great to have the first openly lesbian Jewish president, but do you want to risk handing Trump fascists victories to push certain agendas, or do you want to win to save democracy?
I'd like to see more everyman politicians like Tim Ryan from Ohio. He has a beat on those concerns.
DinahMoeHum
(21,794 posts)They emphasize recruiting people 35-and-under to run for office, and in their strategic planning spell out about not being politically "pure":
https://medium.com/@runforsomething/strategic-plan-f428a35d9451
(snip)
We will not serve as the purity police. Its tempting to create a litmus test for more specific issues, but when working across the country, you have to take regional differences into account. A progressive in Louisiana, for example, cant necessarily emphasize the same thing as a progressive in California.
Ultimately, a Democrat in office is someone you can apply political pressure to once theyre there. As weve seen, a Republican will never yield.
(snip)
https://www.runforsomething.net/
True Blue American
(17,984 posts)He has tried hard to work across party lines.
Pence, the sanctimonious Evangelical is as dirty as they come. Indiana was ready to get rid of him.