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bigtree

(85,996 posts)
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 01:48 PM Feb 2018

Tell them to resubmit the info about Steele's supposed dislike of Trump to FISA

...and see what the judges think.

It's not a given that those weak claims about Steele's politics would cause the FISA judge to negate the warrant granted against Carter Page. It's more likely that it wouldn't move the judge, at all. Reliable info comes from supposedly biased sources all of the time.

It's not likely the judge's opinion centered on Steele's reputation. Probable cause weighed by the court in determining whether to grant the FISA application wouldn't rest on Steele's political views or associations. Indeed, the FBI investigation and original application for a warrant predated the time the Steele dossier was obtained by the FBI.

As of now, the FISA court has declined to respond.


...even the Nunes memo admits the FISA court was looking at more evidence than the Steele dossier:





Nunes memo:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4365340/Read-the-GOP-memo.pdf

https://www.scribd.com/document/370598711/House-Intelligence-Committee-Report-On-FISA-Abuses#from_embed
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Tell them to resubmit the info about Steele's supposed dislike of Trump to FISA (Original Post) bigtree Feb 2018 OP
not to mention that critical findings were discovered thanks to fisa AlexSFCA Feb 2018 #1
right bigtree Feb 2018 #2
It wouldn't matter what Steele thought of Trump... kentuck Feb 2018 #3
precisely AlexSFCA Feb 2018 #4
If you had a case involving, say, a gang murder, you would maybe need Sophia4 Feb 2018 #5
I read the memo and it reads like a see, I told you so -It's the DNC/Hillary and not Trump/Russians. Solly Mack Feb 2018 #6
it's the FOX news continuing narrative bigtree Feb 2018 #7
Yep. Fox narrates and Trump tweets..and Nunes types up. Solly Mack Feb 2018 #8
it all comes down to protecting don's ego spanone Feb 2018 #9
that's really something bigtree Feb 2018 #10
So Steele uncovered evidence that Trump was a Russian plant meadowlander Feb 2018 #11

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
1. not to mention that critical findings were discovered thanks to fisa
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 01:54 PM
Feb 2018

which in itself means that it was the right thing to do to issue the fisa order in the first place. The claimants had probable cause regardless if their politics.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
2. right
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 01:56 PM
Feb 2018

...I believe there was at least one arrest of an accused Russian spy that came out of Steele's efforts.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
4. precisely
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 01:58 PM
Feb 2018

it also doesnt matter that DNC paid steele because he was just doing a job; he might as well do it for RNC on another candidate

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
5. If you had a case involving, say, a gang murder, you would maybe need
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 02:01 PM
Feb 2018

more than one witness, but a witness who was himself a known gang member would not be deemed unreliable based on that fact alone.

The Republicans have the authority and votes in Congress to amend the FISA bill. Let's see whether they make it more stringent. I'm waiting, but I'm not holding my breath. They could rewrite it so as to better protect suspects.

What do you want to bet they leave the FISA bill as it is?

Let's see what happens.

Will the Republican Congress do its job and rewrite the FISA bill requirements for a surveillance warrant and subpoenas or not?

Solly Mack

(90,767 posts)
6. I read the memo and it reads like a see, I told you so -It's the DNC/Hillary and not Trump/Russians.
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 02:04 PM
Feb 2018

Meaning, it reads like someone wrote down the narrative Trump has been pushing for a while now and claiming it is something secretive, but investigated by (some in) Congress, therefore legit and factual. There's little to nothing in the memo that hasn't been in the news already - through actual news and speculation. It's been made to look all official and tied up in a pretty little package, produced for the Trump base - look at everyone who got the memo before the rest. (Fox/Limbaugh)

It reads like the intent to cast doubt on any link between Trump/the GOP/Russia.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
7. it's the FOX news continuing narrative
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 02:21 PM
Feb 2018

...all political theater with nothing at all that would materially discredit the underlying investigation and the info the FBI was pursuing.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
10. that's really something
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 03:20 PM
Feb 2018

...Trump's reckless actions to end this probe are so over the top they do suggest either deep guilt or pathological vanity, or both.

Nunes and others joining in suggests more of the former.

meadowlander

(4,395 posts)
11. So Steele uncovered evidence that Trump was a Russian plant
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 03:24 PM
Feb 2018

and it's somehow supposed to count against him that he then thought "Hang on, maybe Donald Trump being president would be a bad thing"?

The entire premise of the memo is absurdly stupid.

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