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brooklynite

(94,585 posts)
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 05:08 PM Feb 2018

BREAKING: Democrats release Nunes response memo

House Intelligence Committee Minority Response to Release of Chairman Nunes’ Misleading Memo


Washington, DC – Today, the Minority of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence responded to the release of HPSCI Chairman Nunes’ memo:

“Chairman Nunes’ decision, supported by House Speaker Ryan and Republican Members of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, to publicly release misleading allegations against the Department of Justice and Federal Bureau of Investigation is a shameful effort to discredit these institutions, undermine the Special Counsel’s ongoing investigation, and undercut congressional probes. Furthermore, their refusal to allow release of a comprehensive response memorandum prepared by Committee Democrats is a transparent effort to suppress the full truth.

“As the DOJ emphasized to Chairman Nunes, the decision to employ an obscure and never before used House rule to release classified information without DOJ and FBI vetting was ‘extraordinarily reckless.’ The selective release and politicization of classified information sets a terrible precedent and will do long-term damage to the Intelligence Community and our law enforcement agencies. If potential intelligence sources know that their identities might be compromised when political winds arise, those sources of vital information will simply dry up, at great cost to our national security.

“The Republican document mischaracterizes highly sensitive classified information that few Members of Congress have seen, and which Chairman Nunes himself chose not to review. It fails to provide vital context and information contained in DOJ’s FISA application and renewals, and ignores why and how the FBI initiated, and the Special Counsel has continued, its counterintelligence investigation into Russia’s election interference and links to the Trump campaign. The sole purpose of the Republican document is to circle the wagons around the White House and insulate the President. Tellingly, when asked whether the Republican staff who wrote the memo had coordinated its drafting with the White House, the Chairman refused to answer.

“The premise of the Nunes memo is that the FBI and DOJ corruptly sought a FISA warrant on a former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, Carter Page, and deliberately misled the court as part of a systematic abuse of the FISA process. As the Minority memo makes clear, none of this is true. The FBI had good reason to be concerned about Carter Page and would have been derelict in its responsibility to protect the country had it not sought a FISA warrant.

“In order to understand the context in which the FBI sought a FISA warrant for Carter Page, it is necessary to understand how the investigation began, what other information the FBI had about Russia’s efforts to interfere with our election, and what the FBI knew about Carter Page prior to making application to the court – including Carter Page’s previous interactions with Russian intelligence operatives. This is set out in the Democratic response which the GOP so far refuses to make public.

“The authors of the GOP memo would like the country to believe that the investigation began with Christopher Steele and the dossier, and if they can just discredit Mr. Steele, they can make the whole investigation go away regardless of the Russians’ interference in our election or the role of the Trump campaign in that interference. This ignores the inconvenient fact that the investigation did not begin with, or arise from Christopher Steele or the dossier, and that the investigation would persist on the basis of wholly independent evidence had Christopher Steele never entered the picture.

“The DOJ appropriately provided the court with a comprehensive explanation of Russia’s election interference, including evidence that Russian agents courted another Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, George Papadopoulos. As we know from Papadopoulos’ guilty plea, Russian agents disclosed to Papadopoulos their possession of stolen Clinton emails and interest in a relationship with the campaign. In claiming that there is ‘no evidence of any cooperation or conspiracy between Page and Papadopoulos,’ the Majority deliberately misstates the reason why DOJ specifically explained Russia’s role in courting Papadopoulos and the context in which to evaluate Russian approaches to Page.

“The Majority suggests that the FBI failed to alert the court as to Mr. Steele’s potential political motivations or the political motivations of those who hired him, but this is not accurate. The GOP memo also claims that a Yahoo News article was used to corroborate Steele, but this is not at all why the article was referenced. These are but a few of the serious mischaracterizations of the FISA application. There are many more set out in the Democratic response, which we will again be seeking a vote to release publicly on Monday, February 5th. Unlike Committee Republicans, however, we will ask the relevant agencies to propose any necessary redactions to protect any sources and methods not already disclosed by Chairman Nunes’ document.

“It is telling that Chairman Nunes put out this memo without bothering to read the underlying materials, and that he ordered changes to the document without informing his own committee members. It is a terrible lapse in leadership that Speaker Ryan failed to intervene and prevent the abuse of classified materials in this way. It is tragic, if all too predictable, that this President would allow the release of the memo despite FBI and DOJ’s expressions of ‘grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the [Republicans’] memo’s accuracy’. But most destructive of all may be the announcement by Chairman Nunes that he has placed the FBI and DOJ under investigation, impugning and impairing the work of the dedicated professionals trying to keep our country safe.”

The memo and letter from the White House can be found here.
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BREAKING: Democrats release Nunes response memo (Original Post) brooklynite Feb 2018 OP
Key point Schiff should be making: the Nunes memo contradicts its own main point. lagomorph777 Feb 2018 #1
For those who want to share the link elsewhere a link to the rebuttal is below. herding cats Feb 2018 #2
Thanks, herding.. as John Dingell tweets.. Cha Feb 2018 #12
Yep. It's one more nail in their obstruction of justice coffin. herding cats Feb 2018 #14
Well put.. Elite Crooked trump has a Shovel and Cha Feb 2018 #15
Releasing the memo is more proof for Mueller that the moron and GOP are BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #3
Exactly, BP.. John Dingell Tweets.. Cha Feb 2018 #13
Also proof that the Trump campaign knew that Page was deeply panader0 Feb 2018 #17
Bookmarked - thanks FakeNoose Feb 2018 #4
Good move. triron Feb 2018 #5
Decent press release, but NOT the "response memo"... regnaD kciN Feb 2018 #6
This is incomplete..... jimmil Feb 2018 #19
You are right. Casual news listeners would hear it that way. Beartracks Feb 2018 #21
This isn't the classified response memo. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2018 #7
Time to kick orangecrush Feb 2018 #11
Let's make this handle go viral before 2/5: #ReleaseTheCountermemo! robertpaulsen Feb 2018 #8
With Rep. Dingell's commentary : nocalflea Feb 2018 #20
This isn't the whole rebuttal which is classifed. OliverQ Feb 2018 #9
Kick and Rec! orangecrush Feb 2018 #10
K and R BadgerMom Feb 2018 #16
Jeremy Bash succinctly said: Trump hired a Russian spy DeminPennswoods Feb 2018 #18
Recommended. H2O Man Feb 2018 #22

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
1. Key point Schiff should be making: the Nunes memo contradicts its own main point.
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 05:15 PM
Feb 2018

It admits that Poppadoppapuppadopaoulous was the trigger, and that Page was under surveillance for YEARS before the Steele Dossier was even begun.

Nothing else about it needs to be considered; it's 100% bullshit.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
14. Yep. It's one more nail in their obstruction of justice coffin.
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 05:58 PM
Feb 2018

I guess all they have are shovels and they just keep on digging deeper.

BigmanPigman

(51,605 posts)
3. Releasing the memo is more proof for Mueller that the moron and GOP are
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 05:17 PM
Feb 2018

obstructing justice. Mueller should thank Nunes for providing more evidence of their intent and motive. The only harm done was to the FBI and their credibility and it tells the Russians how we obtain FISA warrants.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
17. Also proof that the Trump campaign knew that Page was deeply
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 06:23 PM
Feb 2018

involved with Russia. (assuming they did their homework). Page had
FISA approval 3 years before Trump ran for potus.

regnaD kciN

(26,044 posts)
6. Decent press release, but NOT the "response memo"...
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 05:30 PM
Feb 2018

...which remains classified.

Also, if it's a pack of lies, call it a pack of lies. Never say it "fails to provide vital context." To far too many people, that translates to "the information is true, but, wait, we can explain..." Most people stop listening then and there.

jimmil

(629 posts)
19. This is incomplete.....
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 06:48 PM
Feb 2018

Instead of, "To far too many people," you should have written, "To stupid people who the GOP represents." You are welcome for the correction.

Beartracks

(12,814 posts)
21. You are right. Casual news listeners would hear it that way.
Sat Feb 3, 2018, 04:54 PM
Feb 2018

And that's probably most of America.

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robertpaulsen

(8,632 posts)
8. Let's make this handle go viral before 2/5: #ReleaseTheCountermemo!
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 05:40 PM
Feb 2018

If they can't get that vote on February 5, there is no real transparency.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
9. This isn't the whole rebuttal which is classifed.
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 05:41 PM
Feb 2018

Schiff said he was giving as much information as he can on twitter for now until the Dem memo is released.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
18. Jeremy Bash succinctly said: Trump hired a Russian spy
Fri Feb 2, 2018, 06:41 PM
Feb 2018

It doesn't get any simpler than that. The memo shows Page was/is a Russian spy and Trump blithley went ahead and hired him anyway.

Also, Nicolle Wallace said on her show that her sources indicated that Nunes had worked with the WH on the memo.

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