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kpete

(72,022 posts) Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:21 AM Jul 2012

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It's the Guns – But We All Know, It's Not Really the Guns - byMichael Moore

TUE JUL 24, 2012 AT 05:29 PM PDT
It's the Guns – But We All Know, It's Not Really the Guns
by Michael Moore

"Guns don't kill people." I would just alter that slogan slightly to speak the real truth:
[font color=red]"Guns don't kill people, Americans kill people."[/font]

.....here's the difference between the rest of the world and us: We have TWO Auroras that take place every single day of every single year! At least 24 Americans every day (8-9,000 a year) are killed by people with guns – and that doesn't count the ones accidentally killed by guns or who commit suicide with a gun. Count them and you can triple that number to over 25,000.

................ why us?

1. We Americans are incredibly good killers. We believe in killing as a way of accomplishing our goals. Three-quarters of our states execute criminals, even though the states with the lower murder rates are generally the states with no death penalty.

Our killing is not just historical (the slaughter of Indians and slaves and each other in a "civil" war). It is our current way of resolving whatever it is we're afraid of. It's invasion as foreign policy. Sure there's Iraq and Afghanistan – but we've been invaders since we "conquered the wild west" and now we're hooked so bad we don't even know where to invade (bin Laden wasn't hiding in Afghanistan, he was in Pakistan) or what to invade for (Saddam had zero weapons of mass destruction and nothing to do with 9/11). We send our lower classes off to do the killing, and the rest of us who don't have a loved one over there don't spend a single minute of any given day thinking about the carnage. And now we send in remote pilotless planes to kill, planes that are being controlled by faceless men in a lush, air conditioned studio in suburban Las Vegas. It is madness.

2. We are an easily frightened people and it is easy to manipulate us with fear. What are we so afraid of that we need to have 300 million guns in our homes? Who do we think is going to hurt us? Why are most of these guns in white suburban and rural homes? Maybe we should fix our race problem and our poverty problem (again, #1 in the industrialized world) and then maybe there would be fewer frustrated, frightened, angry people reaching for the gun in the drawer. Maybe we would take better care of each other (here's a good example of what I mean).
http://ayoungmomsmusings.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/how-i-lost-my-fear-of-universal-health.html

.................

the rest:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/its-the-guns-_b_1700218.html?utm_hp_ref=yahoo&ir=Yahoo
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/24/1113384/-It-s-the-Guns-But-We-All-Know-It-s-Not-Really-the-Guns

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It's the Guns – But We All Know, It's Not Really the Guns - byMichael Moore (Original Post) kpete Jul 2012 OP

du rec. nt xchrom Jul 2012 #1

Excellent as always Mr Moore /nt dickthegrouch Jul 2012 #2

It's the Hate Media. formercia Jul 2012 #3

Love him - K&R whatchamacallit Jul 2012 #4

K&R nt abelenkpe Jul 2012 #5

A culture of death. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #6

From a very pro-RKBA Democrat, I have to say AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #7

Regarding his last point, we are easily freightened, jerseyjack Jul 2012 #8

No need to order it. It's online for free. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2012 #10

It's embarrassing how easily frightened Americans are. Are they more gullible than sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #18

"We are an easily frightened people"... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2012 #9

He nails it while Democrats LWolf Jul 2012 #11

I thought so too kpete Jul 2012 #15

brilliant analysis! BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2012 #12

Which makes "home of the brave" laughable. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #13

Statistics show, that even if guns were totally banned, Americans are a violent people Kaleva Jul 2012 #14

Canada's homicide rate is around 1/3 of ours. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #16

I don't know of anyone who'd be against that. Kaleva Jul 2012 #19

Statistics? what statistics? nm rhett o rick Jul 2012 #17

Folks, follow the link to the How I Lost my Fear... Story FredStembottom Jul 2012 #20

K & R HCE SuiGeneris Jul 2012 #21

xchrom

(108,903 posts)

1. du rec. nt

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:23 AM

Jul 2012

dickthegrouch

(3,184 posts)

2. Excellent as always Mr Moore /nt

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:35 AM

Jul 2012

formercia

(18,479 posts)

3. It's the Hate Media.

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:45 AM

Jul 2012

and remember...It takes a Village to make an Idiot.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)

4. Love him - K&R

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 11:00 AM

Jul 2012

Thanks Michael!

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)

5. K&R nt

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 11:24 AM

Jul 2012

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)

6. A culture of death.

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 11:34 AM

Jul 2012

Not once since the Bush gang sent the troops off to invade Afghanistan and Iraq did I ever see a sympathetic story about an Iraqi mother whose children were blown away in our MSM.

I saw footage with literal rivers of blood running down Iraq's streets, but it was not even commented on.

Worse, half the country cheers all this killing on and calls it 'heroism'.

MM is one of the few who does get to speak on the national media every once in a while, who has had the courage to even the issue of the slaughter that continues each day since it began over ten years ago, and anyone who talks about it, is 'unpatriotic'.

Good for him for not remaining silent.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)

7. From a very pro-RKBA Democrat, I have to say

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 12:13 PM

Jul 2012

Michael Moore is dead on the money here. Even if you completely deduct out firearm-related homicides from the total, the United States is still SHOCKINGLY violent compared to most European nations.

Something wrong here...

jerseyjack

(1,361 posts)

8. Regarding his last point, we are easily freightened,

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 12:16 PM

Jul 2012

order, "The Power of Nightmares" from Netflix. It is a BBC documentary and covers the basis for the Red Scare and other uses of fear to increase power and profit.

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)

10. No need to order it. It's online for free.

Reply to jerseyjack (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 12:37 PM

Jul 2012

http://archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)

18. It's embarrassing how easily frightened Americans are. Are they more gullible than

Reply to jerseyjack (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 08:17 PM

Jul 2012

other countries? Or just the victims of decades of fear-mongering from the media?

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)

9. "We are an easily frightened people"...

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 12:27 PM

Jul 2012

Yep

LWolf

(46,179 posts)

11. He nails it while Democrats

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 12:50 PM

Jul 2012

are drawn into the mass distraction of a battle about gun control.

kpete

(72,022 posts)

15. I thought so too

Reply to LWolf (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 02:14 PM

Jul 2012

peace, kp

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)

12. brilliant analysis!

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 01:05 PM

Jul 2012

boy, he is so damn smart!

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)

13. Which makes "home of the brave" laughable.

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 01:19 PM

Jul 2012

A people too frightened by the lurking bogeymen to venture out of their homes without a security blanket gun to fortify them.

Kaleva

(36,354 posts)

14. Statistics show, that even if guns were totally banned, Americans are a violent people

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 01:29 PM

Jul 2012

Our homicide rate would still be higher then that of Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Netherlands, Switzerland, Germany, France, Austria, Italy, Spain, Ireland and England's total homicide rate (including homicides that involve a gun) and about the same as Canada's.

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)

16. Canada's homicide rate is around 1/3 of ours.

Reply to Kaleva (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 07:57 PM

Jul 2012

Going from 4.7 to 1.7* would be a huge, historic, cultural change. Why the heck would anyone be against that?

*wiki per 100,000 persons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Kaleva

(36,354 posts)

19. I don't know of anyone who'd be against that.

Reply to Warren Stupidity (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 08:57 PM

Jul 2012

Just saying that our non-gun related homicide rate is comparable to Canada's homicide rate including guns and it's higher then many Western European nations homicide rate (including firearms).

Moore's assertion that Americans, with or without guns, are a violent people is pretty much correct.

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)

17. Statistics? what statistics? nm

Reply to Kaleva (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 08:07 PM

Jul 2012

FredStembottom

(2,928 posts)

20. Folks, follow the link to the How I Lost my Fear... Story

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 12:59 AM

Jul 2012

Then stay for the comments. Thoughtful, rational comments mostly.
Invigorating!

HCE SuiGeneris

(14,994 posts)

21. K & R

Reply to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jul 26, 2012, 03:58 AM

Jul 2012

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