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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIs Mueller playing a waiting game with Trump??
Is he waiting for Trump to fire Rosenstein to make his move?
If Trump does something so irrational, Mueller would have several indictments ready to drop?
Trump knows it.
They are both playing hardball.
sunonmars
(8,656 posts)tblue37
(65,488 posts)as many players as he can in a fast and complex international crime syndicate that Trump and his minions are deeply involved in.
elleng
(131,115 posts)his complex investigation.
kentuck
(111,110 posts)He is being obstructed at every turn by Donald Trump. Unfortunately, he cannot ignore such threats.
Botany
(70,584 posts)If he is asking for a sit down w/Trump than he already has
the goods on him. Mueller has already talked to 48 people
20 w/the White House and 28 from Trump's campaign.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(72,381 posts)shraby
(21,946 posts)So anything he will be asking trump in an interview he already knows what trump SHOULD be saying in response.
trump is so screwn.
Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)Botany
(70,584 posts)In Vietnam his company got into a fight w/the V.C. or NVA and Bob
got shot through the leg .... he tied it off or somebody else did and
he went back and got all his men out including the dead and dying.
He got a bronze star and a purple heart.
BTW he was @ the top of his class at the UVA law school too.
DemoTex
(25,403 posts)The evidence does not die.
Sealed indictments, that may exist, do not go away.
The grand jury does not pack up and go home.
But a Constituitional crisis of Richter magnitude 9.5+ DOES ensue.
What happens then?
kentuck
(111,110 posts)I'm sure there would be some sealed indictments but who would prosecute them if there was no Special Counsel??
H2O Man
(73,616 posts)federal prosecutors who are fully prepared to continue, should Mr. Mueller be fired. Equally important, the grand jury is actually part of the judicial branch, rather than executive branch. Mr. Mueller works for them, just as he works for the DOJ. The federal courts have a w3ell-documented history of respect for the independence of a grand jury from attempts to disrupt.
PJMcK
(22,048 posts)Mr. Mueller is compiling what must be an extremely complicated and multifaceted set of cases against numerous people.
In his charter, Mr. Mueller was told to investigate not only the Russian interference but also any crimes he discovers during his investigation. I've always thought that this was a really smart addition that AAG Rosenstein included in the charter. It means that Mr. Mueller can go after all kinds of miscreants surrounding Trump in addition to any other crimes Trump has committed.
Trump is not a strategic thinker. He doesn't have the discipline, intelligence or mental capacity to think beyond his last cheeseburger. Importantly, he has no self-control and cannot keep his fat, ugly mouth closed. It was extraordinary that he confessed to Lester Holt on TV that he fired Mr. Comey in an act of obstruction of justice! Trump has no idea how much information the investigators have on him.
In normal times, I'd say Trump is toast. These days, who knows?
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)It's just not going to happen as quickly as we all would like.
flamingdem
(39,324 posts)in NY.
dchill
(38,537 posts)SonofDonald
(2,050 posts)Others state that they're worried Mueller will come out with no legal consequences for the dumpf or that he's so partisan that anything against cheetolini will be ignored or swept under the carpet.
I beg to differ, if that was the case the investigation would already be over and we would be marching in the streets.
Mueller is going in for the kill, what is done with his findings is either going to be used by him to indict or prosecute a sitting president if that's found to be allowed or given to congress to act upon.
But it will be bulletproof and righteous.
C_U_L8R
(45,021 posts)I happened to have dinner with judicial official the other day and was keen to hear his take on all this Trump mess. In legal parlance, he put it "Trump is totally fucked". He considers Trump a traitor, a crook and a fool. And Mueller is, without question, going to take Trump down... all in good time. Anyway, I felt pretty reassured hearing that.
shanny
(6,709 posts)is this "judicial official" state? fed? in DC? i need all the reassurance i can get thx
(fwiw totally agree tRump is f@cked: his whole life, his whole business model has been involvement with the mob, at first the local guys and now the russkis. just oligarchs being oligarchs: lying, cheating, stealing, hiding money etc etc etc. stupidest move he ever made--in a long line of them--was running for preznit)
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C_U_L8R
(45,021 posts)But State. That's all I'll say. I was mostly asking for his professional opinion... not some inside line. Anyway, this fellow did not seem worried (for us or our country).
shanny
(6,709 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,733 posts)hold evidence to offer it up for smaller things. All that talking takes time.
As far as Mueller's concerned, it's not what 45 does this year that counts: The crimes are already committed. He's just not able to crowbar all of the proof instantly because the mailbox fake shell companies are international, and they don't have to help him.
This is no football game.
flamingdem
(39,324 posts)with both hands and squeeeeezing the info out of them. Yum.
wishstar
(5,271 posts)I expect that Mueller is holding off on more indictments right now until he can nail down the Trump interview since it is more likely Trump will cooperate if he thinks probe is wrapping up and that all he needs to do is deny collusion. But whether or not Trump agrees to be interviewed, we can expect major indictments within a couple of months.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)He's too stupid, too insecure, too impulsive, and ultimately too guilty to ever let himself be questioned like that.
fierywoman
(7,694 posts)-- the longer they wait, the more freaked out the opponent is.
localroger
(3,631 posts)I would bet at this stage they are considering exactly who to charge with what in what order to achieve maximum certainty and effect. Given the questions around indicting a sitting president, I wouldn't be surprised if their strategy is to take out everyone around Trump and leaving him dangling in the undicted co-conspiratorial wind.
fierywoman
(7,694 posts)to you for having framed this idea this way !!!
Motley13
(3,867 posts)I just hope it is enough to imprison that SOB
Kablooie
(18,641 posts)I thought
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,856 posts)He's methodically putting together evidence relating to a variety of possible crimes, and he's doing it without any consideration of politics. The order in which he is taking each step has to do with the evidence he has collected. Possible witnesses/subjects/targets are interviewed or subpoenaed on the basis of the evidence he already has, since no good prosecutor ever asks a question if he doesn't already know the answer. The interviews will both flesh out existing evidence and determine whether the interviewee can be caught in a lie. This timetable will be followed irrespective of political developments because it's how you put together a solid prosecution.
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)I do think rattling him is part of the process. He doesn't do it. Others do.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)job. It anit TV but an investigation done by professionals.
SWBTATTReg
(22,166 posts)and it takes time to process all of the information that these two will provide, which in turn, will lead to other leads that need investigating, and so forth. I also suspect analyzing bank records would take some time also, if they are tracking the flow of money, w/ all of the different international banks at play, and so forth, this could be a pretty tedious and involved step, since some of these banks are probably used to hide illegal drug money, as well as avoiding taxes (I am speculating here). Perhaps akin to turning over a rock, and seeing a bunch of critters go scurrying about to underneath other rocks and so forth. W/ Russian involvement, this could be even more complicated, being that I've heard that they mostly use cash in their transactions, or fronts set up especially for this purpose (to shield origination and/or destination of money).
I would think that he would (Mueller) 'play' the ropes/suspects for as much as he can, so he can get further along into the true originators of the crime(s) committed.
D23MIURG23
(2,850 posts)The early indictments were a tool to help Mueller secure cooperation from some key players. He managed to flip Papadopolous and Flynn (and possibly also Gates if recent reports are correct). He likely has all the information he needs now to make any other indictments he is pursuing. I think his best strategic move is to hold any further indictments until he is ready to conclude the investigation. The more people he indicts the more likely Trump will be to spook and resort to drastic measures to get rid of him. I think Mueller is trying to quietly tie his loose ends without making too much of a stir. When he's got a complete picture then he'll drop all the indictments at once and exit stage left. And then it will be too late for Trump to quash the investigation.