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BREAKING: Futures indicating Dow set to open 1,000+ down TOMORROW! (Original Post) NewsCenter28 Feb 2018 OP
Yikes. LuckyCharms Feb 2018 #1
Leveraged ETF unwinding, it appears american_ideals Feb 2018 #14
Etf? Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2018 #32
Tomorrow Will Tell BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #2
Yes, but in past crises NewsCenter28 Feb 2018 #3
You could say the same about weekends... Wounded Bear Feb 2018 #5
Yep, like the 500 point drop in August 2015 NewsCenter28 Feb 2018 #6
I totally take your point, and I don't even resent it. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2018 #37
Look at VIX and XIV. Wow american_ideals Feb 2018 #16
XIV is about worthless in premarket !! WOW !! uponit7771 Feb 2018 #19
Hopefully things will calm down overnight. democratisphere Feb 2018 #4
The market is overvalued by about 40 to 50 percent. roamer65 Feb 2018 #7
DO SOMETHING TRUMP! nmgaucho Feb 2018 #8
It's Obama's fault left-of-center2012 Feb 2018 #9
So according to the circuit breaker they will halt for 45 mins if it drops another 50 points. joshcryer Feb 2018 #10
Running about off 915 now. mnhtnbb Feb 2018 #11
Now -890 in the time it took to post. mnhtnbb Feb 2018 #12
Back to 960 down NewsCenter28 Feb 2018 #23
Also suspect global central banks are in emergency overnight meetings now NewsCenter28 Feb 2018 #24
Now down 1125! OK, starting to get a little scared now-n/t NewsCenter28 Feb 2018 #29
Gold is up too, watch the VIX and the 2 yr T uponit7771 Feb 2018 #13
It's been Trumped up for the last year and due for a correction IronLionZion Feb 2018 #15
Something funky is going on with regard to the XIV and the VIX. dawg Feb 2018 #17
Credit Suiise had a big position there, they've lost almost half a billion if this holds uponit7771 Feb 2018 #20
I heard the terms of the XIV called for a forced liquidation if it has a one-day drop of 80%. dawg Feb 2018 #22
Stunning whats going on in XIV-n/t NewsCenter28 Feb 2018 #25
Just wow !!! uponit7771 Feb 2018 #28
Now watch has every right-wing news outlet blames Obama sakabatou Feb 2018 #18
+1, Clinton's private email server crashed the market while selling pizza's /sarcasm uponit7771 Feb 2018 #21
But... But... But... The memo! Hugin Feb 2018 #39
We need tax cuts for the super-wealthy immediately! Orrex Feb 2018 #26
This calls for EVEN MORE... Hugin Feb 2018 #40
Fox News will blame it on us somehow. They always do. Initech Feb 2018 #27
I'm 10 years out from retirement. MontanaMama Feb 2018 #31
This feels different than 1987 and 2008 the market will go down by a large margin Tuesday kimbutgar Feb 2018 #30
Watched cnbc all day...unknown is the effect Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2018 #33
In 87 money moved to bonds which were giving more money and were stable now uponit7771 Feb 2018 #35
@Foxnews it's Obama's fault. sarcasmo Feb 2018 #34
and i just put all my savings in the market elmac Feb 2018 #36
At 1 AM eastern Standard Time, it's fallen to -428 davekriss Feb 2018 #38

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
3. Yes, but in past crises
Mon Feb 5, 2018, 11:05 PM
Feb 2018

Usually, the market quickly recovers in overnight after hours trading if its going to be a good Tuesday after one of these sharp plunges. For the futures to be so weak is a bad sign for tomorrow, at least at the OPEN. I could see a 1,000 drop at the open to end the day up by 1,000, but thats not healthy.

Wounded Bear

(58,713 posts)
5. You could say the same about weekends...
Mon Feb 5, 2018, 11:16 PM
Feb 2018

There are often sell-offs on Fridays, which get turned around early in the ensuing week to stabilize or even turn back up.

This last weekend that didn't happen. Monday was worse than Friday. If it continues many more days, it could get serious real fast.

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
6. Yep, like the 500 point drop in August 2015
Mon Feb 5, 2018, 11:24 PM
Feb 2018

That was a Friday as well but bounced back very quickly with even a good Monday, I believe, which, like you said, was not the case here.

I just realized that I’m rooting for my own portfolio to get slaughtered here but I’d gladly sacrifice a few thousand if it wakes the Deplorables up to who Trump really is plus I’m 2-1/2 decades away from retirement anyways...

BobTheSubgenius

(11,567 posts)
37. I totally take your point, and I don't even resent it.
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:09 AM
Feb 2018

I don't. I'm "the greater good" kind of guy, but I'll be 66 in August, and I don't really have decades for a portfolio to recover. Plus, it's already under $400K, so there isn't really much room for depreciation.

The good news, if there is such a thing in times like these, is that "my" portfolio managers managed to reach break-even in late 2009 after what was a pretty sharp downturn, to say the least. That's a comfort, if nothing else. They are pros, obviously.

I just hope I don't need their legerdemain again. Or you, for that matter.

Cheers.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
4. Hopefully things will calm down overnight.
Mon Feb 5, 2018, 11:15 PM
Feb 2018

There sure is no one in this WH to calm investor's fears; hell this WH is the damn fear.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
7. The market is overvalued by about 40 to 50 percent.
Mon Feb 5, 2018, 11:29 PM
Feb 2018

All of the Federal Reserve QE money has created a very large bubble. That bubble may be popping.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
10. So according to the circuit breaker they will halt for 45 mins if it drops another 50 points.
Mon Feb 5, 2018, 11:35 PM
Feb 2018

And that will really help trading, I'm sure. So much margin debt out there.

Another 13% drop to halt trading for the day is totally conceivable.

https://www.nseindia.com/products/content/equities/equities/circuit_breakers.htm

mnhtnbb

(31,404 posts)
11. Running about off 915 now.
Mon Feb 5, 2018, 11:36 PM
Feb 2018

Will be interesting to see what happens and whether this becomes a long over due correction or a turn to a bear market.

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
23. Back to 960 down
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 12:16 AM
Feb 2018

I suspect we will be seeing a joint statement from the ECB/Fed with perhaps some monetary easing measures in the morning to halt what is now looking more and more like a market calamity.

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
24. Also suspect global central banks are in emergency overnight meetings now
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 12:18 AM
Feb 2018

Perhaps a 0.25 to 0.50 emergency global interest rate cut, coordinated, again like in 2008.

IronLionZion

(45,533 posts)
15. It's been Trumped up for the last year and due for a correction
Mon Feb 5, 2018, 11:44 PM
Feb 2018

I would avoid making any rash decisions at this time and wait patiently until things calm down.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
17. Something funky is going on with regard to the XIV and the VIX.
Mon Feb 5, 2018, 11:48 PM
Feb 2018

Especially the XIV, which is, if I understand correctly, a way to bet on low volatility. It looks like the whole damned thing is going to be wiped out. Someone, who thought they had a clever trading strategy, is about to get majorly crushed. I just hope there won't be too much collateral damage.

dawg

(10,624 posts)
22. I heard the terms of the XIV called for a forced liquidation if it has a one-day drop of 80%.
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 12:12 AM
Feb 2018

If people were levered up to buy that crap, they'll have to puke up everything else they own just to cover their debt.

Tomorrow could be interesting.

Hugin

(33,207 posts)
40. This calls for EVEN MORE...
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:21 AM
Feb 2018

Financial Regulations cut to the bone!!1!i!

Oh, yeah and more tax cuts!!!(one)!1!!

Do you want to start a countdown clock until we hear that or should I?

kimbutgar

(21,195 posts)
30. This feels different than 1987 and 2008 the market will go down by a large margin Tuesday
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 12:32 AM
Feb 2018

Global markets have lost confidence in the US. He proved himself as an idiot in Davos. This is the Putin/ Twitler payback.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
33. Watched cnbc all day...unknown is the effect
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 12:43 AM
Feb 2018

of FEAR... I lost retirement money in 2002 and 2008...so perhaps many like me..who waited too long to get out then...don't want to lose it all again now.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
35. In 87 money moved to bonds which were giving more money and were stable now
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 01:04 AM
Feb 2018

... bonds are giving less returns than stocks.

I think its a 'correction' but when it will end is the key here, don't think its a structural crash like it was in 87 (which wasn't really structural just cash moving to bonds) 01 and 08

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
36. and i just put all my savings in the market
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 01:48 AM
Feb 2018

I'm writing a strongly worded letter to my broker, Dewey, Cheatem & Howe!

davekriss

(4,627 posts)
38. At 1 AM eastern Standard Time, it's fallen to -428
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:12 AM
Feb 2018

But that ain't chump change.

The NASDAQ and S&P are doing much better, not in green territory, but close.

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