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Botany

(70,585 posts)
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 12:51 PM Feb 2018

Americans are manipulated by fake news because religion has infected our politics:

Americans are manipulated by fake news because religion has infected our politics: Peabody-winning journalist


https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/americans-manipulated-fake-news-religion-infected-politics-peabody-winning-journalist/

As the Protestant Christians became more extreme, the Republican Party was similarly becoming more extreme.

“So, one thing that has happened, and one thing that has led the Republican Party to fantasy and wishful untruth more and more into its approach to policy…are now in the Republican mainstream,” Andersen argued.

Things like a belief in a secret Muslim plot to overthrow the United States for Sharia Law, climate change being a Chinese hoax and even President Barack Obama is a secret Muslim and Donald Trump came to save America with the birther campaign, are all issues that are easy to believe if “fantasy and wishful untruths” are the norm. It makes it easier to accept conspiracy theories or fake news.

Anderson explained that he doesn’t care if people believe what they want to believe in private. However, when religious belief “bleeds over into how we manage and construct our economy and our society,” there’s a problem. It will cause lasting trouble for the country.

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Botany

(70,585 posts)
2. I'm sitting about 2 miles from Ohio State's Byrd and Climate Research Center
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 01:20 PM
Feb 2018

They have literally millions of data points from ice cores some of which go
back 400,000 years that show climate change is a function of CO2 and other
green house gases and when told about these facts some right winger/Christian
types refuse to believe the evidence and speak complete gibberish about
in the 1970s we were supposed to have a new ice age or that fats in our diet
have now been shown to be good. They are beyond hope.

https://bpcrc.osu.edu

Orrex

(63,224 posts)
3. Sadly, I've seen more or less the same thing.
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 01:24 PM
Feb 2018

On one side, we have a mountain of nigh-irrefutable evidence, while on the other we have an asshole with a microphone crying "HOAX!"

The drooling masses tend, by a large margin, to heed the asshole in preference to the evidence.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
5. THIS!
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 01:32 PM
Feb 2018

You show me someone who believes a 600 year old man built a boat big enough for every animal and I'll show you someone who is apt to believe anything their preacher and or fox news tells them, no matter how insane.

They are used to accepting Bull shit claims, like you said, sans evidence.

lindysalsagal

(20,733 posts)
11. Forget about the boat: There's no habitat anywhere that can contain 2 of every species. And, even if
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:30 PM
Feb 2018

you had a transporter room to move them all onto the ark, we know that no breed can survive with just the dna of 2 animals: Survival depends on a very wide semination of varying dna.

So, all you need is 9th grade science to know Noah was a story. But, then again, the same people are probably flat-earthers.

The funny part is, the same logic that says, "I've never seen the other hemisphere, so, it doesn't exist" are quite willing to believe in any and all manner of invisible beings and miracles they've also never seen.

procon

(15,805 posts)
6. That's an interesting concept.
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:05 PM
Feb 2018

When you think about all the unfounded things Republicans say they are for, religion can be seen as a common denominator. I agree with the writer, Kurt Andersen, and while there are some really inherently stupid Republican politicians, I think most of them are well educated and know better, but they have chosen to act ignorant just to appeal to their base of superstitious, uneducated and ill-informed voters.

This is a seachange from the old Republican Party of my pops generation. This was pre-Reagan, back then the Republicans were the smartest guys in the room, they were the intellectuals, the elitists, and proudly so. Unlike today, none of them were cozying up to religion or catering to crazy conspiracy theories just to get some fringe nut to vote for them.

Republicans have transformed their brand image to mimic the right wing, fundamentalist extremists who will vote still for them based on the worst characteristics of fearful superstitions, and hate fueled authoritarian tribalism.


meadowlander

(4,406 posts)
7. Also our schools.
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:11 PM
Feb 2018

Sixty years ago, in most states you would not have been allowed to opt out of mainstream education so you, as a high school dropout, could brainwash your sixteen kids with non-stop Jesus BS.

Allowing kids to withdraw from a shared, fact-based public education starts the process of them withdrawing from a shared, fact-based public discourse. It also deprives them of the critical thinking skills they would need to see for themselves the difference between what Fox is feeding them and what CNN is presenting.

Botany

(70,585 posts)
8. Gotta "home school" the kids because their liberal teachers want to take Jesus out of ...
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 02:22 PM
Feb 2018

..... their education. I have really heard that argument on Christian radio and we have
people in America who bath in that kind of crap 24/7.


BTW good public education should be the rock of the democratic platform.

lindysalsagal

(20,733 posts)
12. Dewey: Democracy and Education.
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:36 PM
Feb 2018

A representative government requires and informed electorate.



"Home-schooling" should be highly regulated, and extremely rare, reserved for very fragile students.

Otherwise, "home-schooling" is neglect.

https://www.amazon.com/Democracy-Education-John-Dewey/dp/1613822812/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_img_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=F40YS9WRYNFEA9TQ02NH

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
9. One of the things Obama did (at least later in his second term)
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:09 PM
Feb 2018

was in many speeches mentioned "non-believers". This meant a lot to me. The president, whomever that is, has to know that not everyone is a believer in God. I was hoping this was the signal of a big change in politics. But that went way down the drain with the idiot in office now. That SOTU pretty much said if you do not believe in the Christian God as they do, you are not even an American.

This is not just a big problem in itself, but I have read many polls that are saying people in general are becoming less religious. Our politic needs to reflect that, not the crap going on now.

bluestarone

(17,043 posts)
10. What's scary to me is tRump (with Russia's help) has basically Turned Americas basic foundation
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:24 PM
Feb 2018

(RELIGION) Turned it completely around to destroy us!! How this happened is to me unexplainable, (except for RW media, Russia's use of false news)

lindysalsagal

(20,733 posts)
13. IMHO: It's choice time: The planet & our survival, or gawd.
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:39 PM
Feb 2018

Cause the gawd people think they can trash the place and it either doesn't matter, or gawd will fix it all, anyway.

We have to effing grow the hell up and take responsibility.

Wounded Bear

(58,713 posts)
14. I've been blaming religion for many years...
Tue Feb 6, 2018, 03:51 PM
Feb 2018

magical thinking in one area will tend to bleed over into all other areas.

Belief trumps fact for the weak minded, and typical religious teachings tend to weaken the mind.

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