So much about this country I love. I want to keep fighting to move the country in a more progressive direction, just as has been happening since our founding, when looked at as a whole. I'm in it for more than myself.

And certainly not permanent self exile to nations that all have their own less than admirable problems, which are likely to get worse before they get better.

I think if whites want to return to their ancestral European homes that's fine.

Let's face it, that wording would be taken quite poorly here if white were replaced with black and European with African. Would need a huge smile, a hugging pair, whatever to go with it.

A Democrat is a Democrat, though, right? And it takes all kinds to make a truly representative political party.

This subject does just happen to remind me, though, that as many POC are naturally wired to be conservative as among whites, sharing all the same personality traits under the skin. Isn't that a nice thought? Same for those wired naturally liberal.

No surprise that it occasionally gets a little cranky in our big tent.

traits, bettyellen, including mine. And yours. (Trump is an outstanding example -- effectively stupid as a rock when his personality derails what should be normal thought processe.)

Best for all when we manage to mostly keep our behaviors at least somewhat linked to principle and resist stupid acting out, of course. I'm sure you agree.

it is stupid? LOL. Yeah, that’s not how it works. But thanks for the advice, LOL.

Weren't we both admiring how well we all come together in spite of our great differences? Now I AM confused. Really.

And you seem to be having a one sided conversation about differences. Whatever, ha ha.

Whites are in a minority (or close to it) in London, Paris, Amsterdam etc.

but the window for going is narrowing because of Brexit. I'd probably go to Denmark or France.

but much as I like and admire Denmark, the idea of living the rest of my life there literally makes the sunshine seem sunnier.

but needed work so came back to the US. France is a wonderful yet difficult place to live. I would do it again.

on long stay, language can be a hindrance.

Dealing with the bureaucracy, finding a job then adjusting to the work culture, getting your language skills (even if already good) up to professional level, and in general living in an uncanny-valley of a culture that seems to close to ours, yet at the same time separated by a wide gulf.

consider moving it will be because I am retired and the job factor would not be an issue.

I was fortunate enough to visit France when I was a Senior in high school (quite a while ago). I know a lot of Americans felt that the French were not very welcoming. Personally, I found them really nice, friendly and very helpful.

I think that a person's personal attitude and openness to other cultures does impact his/her experience in other countries. The more open you are to other cultures and people the more likely you could be accepted by others. But if a person goes over with the Ugly American attitude (or a Trump attitude) he/she might not find themselves very welcome and I don't blame the people of the country that they are visiting.

Can I live like a king on Social Security alone?

Germany or France, if I had the money I'd be there now.

The Texans followed by the rest of the White separatist South would invade Mexico for dominance over the Gulf oil fields. They'd come to terms with the Drug Cartels and use them as a police force in Central and South America.

I'm getting too old to be of much use in the streets. Perhaps as one who cares for the old/young/sick/dying.

Except for the fact that I can't afford the cost of living there.

The Tory government is completely incompetent

How close are they to anarchy/authoritarianism?
How close are we?

The UK is not an improvement (well maybe slightly because of the NHS).

or what's left of them....I can drown my troubles there..

Ain't perfect, but it's mostly a case of budgeting, not white supremacy.

in a heartbeat.

My parents lived in Brussels for about 7 years, during my college/early adulthood, so I spent several summers there. It was a wonderful experience, and I am really grateful to have had the experience of living abroad, but one thing that I learned about myself is that even in a place like that, where the culture is recognizable and the language barrier isn't severe (I had some French, and most urban Belgians speak excellent English), I felt a bit isolated and alienated. The US, for all its shortcomings is home, and I'd rather stay and try to make things better than leave. Plus, having seen parts of Europe up close and away from the tourist itinerary, I'm a bit more aware of some of the problems and social upheaval that they deal with.


But if I were going to go, I think I would like Switzerland, Germany or Scotland.

The US has been in decline for a while, with Trump sending the country into a total free fall. Even in the Democrats can take back some degree of control I fear that too much damage has already been done.

If you look at human history you would notice that it is inevitable for a political/ruling entity to rise up, gain control and power, peak and then go into decline while another entity rises up and assumes control. No entity will maintain control forever. The time has come for the US to secede its global authority to the next entity. I just didn't think that the US would collapse so fast but perhaps I should have considering Johan Galtung's prediction in his 2009 book.

Where I would move to would depend primarily on cost of living. I really like the UK but BREXIT and cost of living would most likely rule the UK out. Norway would be a real contender but, again cost of living would probably rule it out. I loved Portugal when I visited it years ago so that is a possibility. While not in Europe, Costa Rica is on my radar as a possible retirement location due to cost of living and weather.

Leaving for work in 20 degree weather today has me thinking that I really need to work on downsizing my stuff and researching retirement locations for down the road in a few years.

1. I prefer warm weather as I am currently in (no pun on the name) winter park fl.
2. It's a British territory so I would be British, so they speak english.

that, too.

I lived(work visa)for a couple of years and loved it.

Canada has lots of resources, no issues with language barrier, almost european style safety net, etc.

I'm in northern Michigan so weather wouldn't be a big deal to me. Canada is great, would be my first choice!

Former would require going back to a previous employer. Latter I could probably swing with my current.

I would move to any of these in a heartbeat. I have nothing against any of the other European countries and could probably live in any of them but these are my favorites. ( Canada isn't european but I included it anyway).

Anyone in their 20s or 30s should think about trying to emigrate to a 1st world country if they can, just to get healthcare as a basic human right.

for me... I’m half English...got lots of family there.

Ireland because it's where my ancestors are from. I lived there for a few years after college and loved it but couldn't get a residence visa.

England because London is my favorite city on earth and I'm sure Brexit is just a phase.

Italy (assuming I could learn Italian) because Rome is my second favorite city on earth and because it's near the centre of a lot of places I want to travel to.

All this assumes as well though that I could get a job that would let me enjoy wherever I am. I'd also move to New York in a heartbeat if I could afford it.

I would love to take a crack at repurposing the old Group of Soviet Forces Germany headquarters at Wuensdorf, which sits abandoned because no one wants to invest the kind of money it would take to fix it. Wuensdorf is close to Berlin and you could turn the place into a good mixed-use development.

Unemployment here is usually higher here, so they are not beckoning. Many countries have worker-unfriendly laws (they claim they're the opposite) that make it nearly impossible for an employer to fire an employee. As a result, employers are reluctant to take full-time employees on, since it is so difficult to fire them if it doesn't work out. As a result, cruel part-time "trial" arrangements just get extended for six-month periods on end. You really have to prove yourself before getting a permanent position.

If you don't work for a European employer, then getting health insurance is complicated in many countries. When I moved to Germany, I went to a well-recommended insurance company for a quote. I filled out the health history, and due to my pre-exisiting condition, they quoted me €2500 a month. That is €30,000 ($37,000) a year. Kinda steep.

Language: yes, everyone knows SOME English. But if you want to live and work here (I'm in Germany) and speak no German, you will have about as easy a time finding a job as someone looking for work in Dallas who speaks only German. Know the language of where you want to move. Learn it BEFORE you go. Period.

Unless you have some cool international position they will accept as full-time employment, get a job lined up before you attempt to move. They will put you through the ringer for a residence visa and a work visa. They did that to me, and I had a steady job, US health insurance, speak fluent German, and am married to a German citizen to boot.

Be aware of local ways. Germany controls its citizens and residents far more closely than what we are used to. They have what is called here "Polizieiliche Anmeldung." You have to register your residence with the police in the town you live in, and tell them if you move away, and when you arrive in your new town, you have to do it again, tell the where you came from, where you plan to live, etc etc. When I told my accountant Dallas all the information the German tax authorities wanted about me, he said he'd get arrested for divulging that kind of info if he revealed it to any American authority. On the other hand don't expect the cops to get really active investigating theft, violent crime or white collar crime. They are more interested in car accidents or things that involve little paperwork.

And the weather sucks.

All that having been said, if you can handle all that, learn the language to a fair degree of proficiency, and find yourself a decent place to live, you will find friends quickly, have plenty of nearby cool places to visit, and LOVE the food. It's expensive to live here, so be prepared not to be able to afford everything you want. On the other hand, hundreds of amazing places are nearby. Germany, besides having many wonderful places to visit, borders on Denmark, Poland, Czech Rep., Austria, Switzerland, France, Luxembourg, Belgium and the Netherlands. Less than a two hour flight from most anywhere in Germany to most of Ireland, the UK, Sweden, Norway, Croatia, Hungary, Spain, and Italy.

It depends on who you are and what your general nature is, of course, but I married one of the friendlier natives here (ask California Peggy, she knows), and haven't regretted it since.

So, make sure you REALLY want to to this before setting out to do it.

If not, hey, it's a nice place to visit..........

I have good friends in both countries.

But I cannot see a scenario where I emigrate. I love this country and want to make it better.

I have worked in Europe for several months and traveled there many times. It is not the utopia that many on the left make it out to be. Every country there has their own set of issues, many of them more vexing than ours.

I've never been overseas. It is not that I don't want to travel overseas, but international travel is not in the budget right now and I don't have a passport.

I'd have a hard time adjusting to the cultural barriers (and language if applicable). I've lived in many regions of the US and have (temporarily) adjusted to culture but it would be hard for me.

I'm a 10 or 11th generation American.

the rising far-right tide notwithstanding...

but probably not.

There's a local push for some sort of secession from Spain.

(I don't think it will go anywhere, but who knows)

FABULOUS city to live in! Three times as good if you learn to speak Catalan (I did--it's not overly difficult, just put French and Spanish in a blender, and speak what comes out).

I still run down there six times or so a year (1 hour 40 minute flight for me).

I'd consider Norway - I'm learning the language and have a few shirttail relatives there. From everything I've learned it's a pretty good place to live. I definitely plan to visit this year or next but will probably have to come home.

Because I speak the language. I’m retired, so probably can’t afford to live there, which is just as well because my family is here.

. . .on and off for a 2-3 years than emigrate.

but I'd encourage my kids to.

I'd like to spend some time in Sicily, too. Beautiful place!

London and Vienna are two of my favorite cities and I lived in Vienna for a semester and loved it. I also felt very much at home in both places. I speak a little German, but not fluently, so the language barrier would be a little tougher in Austria, but most Viennese also speak excellent English.

The weather is good, the food is great, the people are wonderful.

I'm a proud American and wouldn't want to live anywhere else. I'd rather die fighting for this country.

And I don't intend to be fighting anyone except Republicans, and I can do that from here.

My wife is German and doesn't want to live in America. I just rose in rank in my outfit to become station chief for Europe. Now I go where I want when I want. Problem solved.

anything like yours. Just a citizen whose entire family lives here, in a country I love. THEY want me to leave, that's reason enough for me to stay.

I want to move to either Borneo or Sumatra and live with orangutans. Yes, I'm serious.

I plan to stay here and fight.

I've been here my whole life (53 years) and there is so much I have not seen yet! I do not get to travel much being in the working class (but am glad for what I have been able to see!). Next up on the road trip list is the Redwoods! After that I would like to get up to the northeast, maybe check out Maine. It takes a while at the rate I do it, but it has been amazing!

There is a lot to see everywhere, and some of it is right in front of your nose sometimes. There is a famous archaeological site about 20 minutes' drive south of where we live in Germany. Literally, world famous. We just put off going there because "we could do it any time." It took us 15 years and a visit from a friend in Russia before we got around to actually seeing it. There is a small stream there whose valley ("Tal" or "Thal" in German, depending on how archaic a spelling you choose) yielded one of the most significant finds ever. The stream is named the Neander. The valley, therefore, is the Neandertal, or Neanderthal. The museum at the site is awesome.

..I'd slip up to BC and be happy as a clam

I don’t qualify for citizenship by descent in any European country, because it has been too many generations. Closest would be the UK, my father would qualify as his mother was an English subject of HM Queen Victoria. Would go to France in a heartbeat, have many relatives in Lorraine. However, for climate and cost of living I am looking at Mexico. Will be visiting there in a year to scout it out. When I go, I doubt that I will come back for any reason. I can not ever forgive this country for electing Captain Combover.

regulations.

Going again this fall. Absolutely love it. A fun time.

I have friends in Lyon, Paris, and Aix en Provence.

I am going through a divorce but seriously considering a move when it's over. I've thought about going to live for a couple of months in each of several countries: France, Italy, Spain, and Portugal because they will all take retirees with means to support themselves. England no longer has a visa for retirees, although my family is from England via Canada too many generations ago to be of any use in getting a resident visa. My French and Spanish are passable, but I would need to spend a lot of time taking lessons to improve my language skills in either one if I seriously decided to make a move.

Every day that goes by I wish I was out of the US. It's a nightmare. How could 63 million people vote for Trump? How can we do nothing about all the gun violence? How can it be ok for Eagles fans to trash Philly but not for football players to take a knee?

This country is very messed up and I'm not sure I want to spend the rest of my life here.

For some reason, I would like to live in Iceland.