...there's evidently something more to this surprise agreement than meets the eye.

Conservatives are beside themselves over the short-term funding bills. A longer-term budget will find a lot of support from the House republicans, especially since they're not going to get a better deal, and likely are looking at a Democratic House this time next year.

...without some agreement on DACA.

I can imagine a few reasons why one isn't forthcoming at this hour, but I'm nearly positive Schumer isn't going to blow up his leadership by leaving Dreamers behind.

Have you seen his twitter page? https://twitter.com/SenSchumer

but I seriously hope you're right

..is that republicans aren't as crazy as Trump to start deporting Dreamers.

In fact, there's a large lobby of their business buds who are literally invested in finding a solution to keep these immigrants here.

There's going to be a fix. What shape and direction it will take is still being negotiated, but no one has come out and said the McConnell/Schumer 'agreement' on taking up DACA is dead, and I don't expect that will happen.

...especially if McConnell can organize his party members for a veto-proof majority.

Remember who McConnell is. He's as far right as he can be. Trump isn't going to get a better deal in the Senate. This agreement with him must represent a way around Trump.

Lower revenues. Increased expenses. We have gone truly mad.

...so it's a good bet that a DACA vote is in the mix of this deal.

I don't see anything on it yet, though.

More defense spending, some infrastructure, and funds CHIP for 10 years.

...a DACA fix is still the subject of bipartisan negotiation in the Senate, with a bill almost certain to emerge.

The politics are plain for all to see, but it's not accurate that DACA isn't going to be part of moving forward. Indeed, one couldn't countenance the Dem leader abandoning the agreement he made with the Speaker. Stay tuned.

I fear this is not going to end well for the Dreamers.

...remember, there wasn't/isn't yet an actual DACA bill to bring to the floor for a vote; no actual DACA legislation included in the short-term funding bills.

What Dems have been arguing for is a chance for a floor debate and vote; regular order with amendments and the works, something which has been denied them so far.

What Schumer obtained is an agreement with McConnell to move 'immediately' after the budget vote to an 'immigration' debate which will include or feature a fix for Trump's arbitrary deadline ending the DACA.

There's even word of an extension if the floor debate goes past the expiration date, so I think we should be reacting to this like we do regular legislation with lobbying our legislators and the works. There's going to be a bill on the floor and the Senate is going to hold votes, that's pretty clear.

Not tied to a budget, he can veto with impunity. Don't underestimate the pressure the deplorables are putting on the Republican Congress, and the President, to deport them all. I don't see a veto-proof bill going to the White House.

...that's the target.

Hard to believe Repub promises that they'll negotiate on it, but it's not worth another shutdown yet.

but I don't think McConnell would be smiling at this point if he knew it was all going to collapse because Trump would veto. Still have to pass a house bill then reconcile the two, and feed and manipulate Trump.

he's daring donnie to veto.

Trump for the shutdown and the Republican congress would be off the hook? Maybe. Seems like they'd still have a shutdown and a newly poked, even angrier bull in the national china shop.

?

put himself on the hook yesterday by claiming he'd love a shutdown. Irrelevant now as they seem to have struck a deal in the senate. We'll see what the House does.

God god god I hope it doesnt

and what's important. No one wants that insulting wall, stupid and obsolete before it's even erected.

But, remember, people at this level can't take any action without hurting some groups or people, certainly not something as big as the many deals involved in funding our government.

Notably, if the DACA group are deported, all will be traumatized and their lives derailed, but also not all will survive to someday return if they want. Then there are all the other immigrants whose futures are on the line one way or another.

Some things are just more important than others, and both Trump's pride and ours are way down the list.

Biden put it more gently in that interview, but pandering to their own egos is strictly an indulgence for bad politicians. Republicans, not ours.

so be it, but I now think that does more harm than good.

Not about pride for me, it is about him getting a win and allegedly proving what a great negotiator he is when he is of course the worst in human history.

Our blue wave slows WAY down if that happens and the only thing worse than destroying the DACA lives is not taking back the house, we can bring those people back if they are deported but we cant come back from not taking back the government. We all lose at that point, including immigrants, dreamers, etc.

I could be wrong but that is my thinking - I have said in the past NO life is worth winning or losing a deal that we should be willing to lose deals to save lives but we are not dealing with rational people anymore so we have to think about this.

Again, has zip to do with his vanity but everything to do with the perception among the 30 million Americans who can be swayed not to do the right thing based on stupid stuff like the wall.

i.e. if it was ONLY about his vanity I would not risk ONE Life, I would let the traitor have his win...but it is more than that

dangerous and hurtful things on the line even than failing the DACA kids.

The opportunity cost of giving him his wall is giving up a failure for him right now. Reportedly, what could cause his base to lose faith in him is to find they've backed a loser. But most would rationalize it away anyway at this point, and there'll be plenty of other opportunities for that. Remember the Russia investigation alone. And remember that W failed for years, but they only turned on him in the last quarter of the 8th year, the base in the last two weeks of that 8th year when they finally admitted he wasn't going to pull off some magic victories to turn it all around.

Meanwhile, 78-80% of all Americans, including a majority of Republicans, strongly want to protect DACA. Just maybe bartering with the lives of these kids won't quell the doubts that are already depressing turnout?

Glad it's not my decision.

Less taxes + more spending = stupidity and irresponsibility