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mcar

(42,388 posts)
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 03:53 PM Feb 2018

McConnell and Schumer jam the House: Six things that just happened

This is a good analysis of the Senate's budget deal and what the House may do.

https://goo.gl/mYa8k2

The crafty Senate majority and minority leaders announced a two-year budget deal that marks the end of the disastrous 2011 Budget Control Act. News reports indicate that “the plan eliminates mandatory spending cuts for two years and increases Pentagon spending by $80 billion and domestic spending by $63 billion for the 2018 fiscal year.” The bill includes funding for disaster relief, children’s health care and funding for fighting the opioid addiction. On the defense side of the ledger, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) declared, “First and foremost, this bipartisan agreement will unwind the sequestration cuts that have hamstrung our armed forces and jeopardized our national security. [Defense] Secretary [Jim] Mattis said that, quote, ‘no enemy in the field has done more to harm the readiness of our military than sequestration.’ . . . We haven’t asked our men and women in uniform to do less for our country. We have just forced them to make do with less than they need. This agreement changes that.”

1. Democrats won what they have been looking for since 2011 — an end to the painful cap on domestic spending. Both parties now can claim credit for fully funding the military...

3. Pro-DACA advocates ironically have a better shot at getting a deal than they did when they were tying DACA to the budget. The reason: McConnell promised a shell bill will be put on the floor, allowing free-flowing amendments. If there are 60 votes (as backers of DACA insist), then they will get their bill out of the Senate regardless of what Stephen Miller or John F. Kelly or Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) want. Moreover, that bill very well could have none of the poison pills Trump wants stuffed into the deal (e.g., limits on legal immigration).

4. But the House won’t vote for DACA? That is likely the case, but the only shot the DACA proponents have is to pass the bill our of the Senate and apply pressure to Ryan to bring it to the House floor. If he does not (very possible), he and his fellow Republicans on the ballot in 2018 will face the voters. His insistence that he won’t allow a vote on a bill that Trump/Miller/Cotton don’t like will be evidence of his failure to fulfill his role as speaker of a co-equal branch. Moreover, just about everyone in town knows that if both houses pass a DACA fix, Trump won’t have the nerve to oppose it.


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McConnell and Schumer jam the House: Six things that just happened (Original Post) mcar Feb 2018 OP
good analysis bigtree Feb 2018 #1
How govermentin' is supposed to be done mcar Feb 2018 #2
yep bigtree Feb 2018 #4
Do you think McConnell is reacting to 2018 polling data? mcar Feb 2018 #5
You know damn well he is. Wellstone ruled Feb 2018 #6
well, yeah bigtree Feb 2018 #7
And now he wants to he seen as moderate mcar Feb 2018 #13
I agree except tazkcmo Feb 2018 #8
any bill that passes would likely be veto-proof bigtree Feb 2018 #11
That's what I was thinking we needed tazkcmo Feb 2018 #20
KnR Hekate Feb 2018 #3
K & R. Thanks for posting. n/t FSogol Feb 2018 #9
"Trump won't have the nerve"? gratuitous Feb 2018 #10
Excuse me? mcar Feb 2018 #14
I was addressing that to the writer of the piece gratuitous Feb 2018 #15
Ah, ok mcar Feb 2018 #16
Not through the House. zipplewrath Feb 2018 #12
They finally put Ryan in the position Boehner was in repeatedly GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #17
why can't the military use the money THEY LOST! AUDIT THE DD. pansypoo53219 Feb 2018 #18
Good lord the spin Egnever Feb 2018 #19

bigtree

(86,006 posts)
4. yep
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 04:06 PM
Feb 2018
Chuck Schumer @SenSchumer 20m20 minutes ago

While @POTUS threatens shutdowns & stalemates, Congress has done the hard work of finding compromise & consensus. We have reached a budget deal that neither side loves but both sides can be proud of. That’s compromise. That’s governing. We should do more of it.

mcar

(42,388 posts)
5. Do you think McConnell is reacting to 2018 polling data?
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 04:09 PM
Feb 2018

They've got to be quaking in their expensive shoes.

bigtree

(86,006 posts)
7. well, yeah
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 04:14 PM
Feb 2018

...with Democrats projected to have a decent chance of taking the Senate, this may be his last chance to have an upper hand in actual passed budget legislation.

Along that line, he also would need to repair his relationship with the potential new Senate leader.

tazkcmo

(7,303 posts)
8. I agree except
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 04:19 PM
Feb 2018

I believe Shitgibon will veto the bill (Probably the pocket type because he really is a coward) and make lots of noise about the lack of limits on immigration (Dems happy to give your jobs to illegal rapists and murderers!!!) so he can strut around his red neck barn yard, crowing how tough he is. That's the only thing I disagree with. Hope I'm wrong.

bigtree

(86,006 posts)
11. any bill that passes would likely be veto-proof
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 04:35 PM
Feb 2018

...they have to reach that 60-vote hurdle to pass the Senate anyway.

67 to override in the Senate and 290 in the House

tazkcmo

(7,303 posts)
20. That's what I was thinking we needed
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 09:42 AM
Feb 2018

Any bill that they did pass would need that be passed with a veto-proof majority

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
15. I was addressing that to the writer of the piece
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 07:09 PM
Feb 2018

The notion that Trump won't have the nerve to do something incredibly venial, self-destructive, dishonest, cruel, or just plain stinky is just ludicrous, and makes me wonder how long the writer of the piece has been conscious.

mcar

(42,388 posts)
16. Ah, ok
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 07:14 PM
Feb 2018

Yeah, that's a good point. I do wonder if he would even have a clue what he's signing. A win is a win, after all.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
12. Not through the House.
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 05:20 PM
Feb 2018
3. Pro-DACA advocates ironically have a better shot at getting a deal than they did when they were tying DACA to the budget. The reason: McConnell promised a shell bill will be put on the floor, allowing free-flowing amendments. If there are 60 votes (as backers of DACA insist), then they will get their bill out of the Senate regardless of what Stephen Miller or John F. Kelly or Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) want. Moreover, that bill very well could have none of the poison pills Trump wants stuffed into the deal (e.g., limits on legal immigration).


They may have a better chance of getting it out of the Senate, but I'm not sure how this gives anyone a "better" chance of getting something through the house.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
17. They finally put Ryan in the position Boehner was in repeatedly
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 07:19 PM
Feb 2018

There are the voters in the house to pass this budget bill. But the Pee Party will go ape shit. If he does not pass it the shut down in all on the republicans.

Ryan had a bad day.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
19. Good lord the spin
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 07:57 PM
Feb 2018

The painful cap was only to control the deficit. Apparently that doesn't matter to any party any more and in a time when the republicans just blew it up now we can say Hey we helped!

The idea that DACA stands a better chance now just seems laughable on it's face after removing the leverage we had with the debt ceiling.

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