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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 05:18 PM Feb 2018

John Kelly allowed a senior staffer to stay without a clearance despite damning evidence...

John Kelly allowed a senior staffer to stay without a clearance despite damning evidence of spousal abuse

By Jennifer Rubin February 7 at 3:31 PM

-snip- (Three paragraphs about the charges against Porter and his resignation)

Even more horrifying is that the FBI was informed of these allegations while conducting a background check. As a result, Porter lacked a top security clearance. And, to top it off, Politico reports, “a senior administration official said Kelly was previously aware of the 2010 protective order, which prevented Porter from getting a full security clearance.” It is not clear whether Trump was informed.

“There are two overlapping scandals here. First, that he was allowed to stay in his job at all after two former spouses told the FBI that he abused them,” Matt Miller, a former Department of Justice spokesman, told me. “Second, he was apparently allowed to continue in a job where you are required to constantly handle classified information despite his having been denied a full security clearance.” Miller added: “We need to know who signed off on each, and, unless there is some explanation that has not yet been made public, those people are most likely going to need to resign as well.” But, of course, this White House has a peculiar standard when alleged abusive behavior is at issue, beginning with the president, who was accused during the campaign — by nearly 20 women — of sexual harassment and/or assault. More from the Politico report: “The White House has also continued to consider finding a role for former Carl’s Jr. head Andy Puzder, who withdrew from consideration to be Labor Secretary in 2017 after Politico reported that his ex-wife had accused him of domestic abuse during a 1990 appearance on ‘The Oprah Winfrey Show.’ Puzder denies the allegations and his ex-wife subsequently defended him and said she regretted appearing on the show.”

Additionally, Trump endorsed Senate candidate Roy Moore of Alabama, who had been accused by multiple women of sexual assault when they were minors. The president has also verbally derided women both during the campaign and in office, intimating at one point that Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) traded sex for campaign money. It is interesting that, say, an FBI agent wouldn’t in all likelihood be allowed to remain in his post with such evidence of domestic abuse pending. A former FBI special agent told me: “Usually if charged with domestic abuse, one would not be able to carry a firearm, and therefore would have to surrender their position or change their role in the government at a minimum.”

This administration’s attitude and treatment toward women is as deplorable as it is predictable. The GOP rallied around a presidential candidate — and later a president — who admitted on the “Access Hollywood” tape that he had sexually assaulted women. Is it any wonder that women’s complaints of abuse were not taken as grounds for disqualifying someone to serve on that president’s staff?

Kelly’s conduct is nearly inexplicable. At any other White House, Porter would not have been hired and, if he was brought on board, all those responsible for such a gross misjudgment would be fired. I expect nothing will happen to Kelly. He’s Trump’s kind of guy.

Full article:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/02/07/john-kelly-allowed-a-senior-staffer-to-stay-without-a-clearance-despite-damning-evidence-of-spousal-abuse
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John Kelly allowed a senior staffer to stay without a clearance despite damning evidence... (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2018 OP
This WH has a vetting problem... HipChick Feb 2018 #1
This White House GWC58 Feb 2018 #2
It's a little bigger than that RandomAccess Feb 2018 #5
Aren't these the "best people"? PJMcK Feb 2018 #3
Get thee to the greatest page malaise Feb 2018 #4
Mindset - entrenched male attitudes..... magicarpet Feb 2018 #6
Kelly sold his soul a long time ago...Never fell for Officer and Gentleman crap HipChick Feb 2018 #7
Has Kushner ever got security clearance? Maeve Feb 2018 #8
As, I understand it, Kushner does not have full security clearance riversedge Feb 2018 #10
Nope. nt tblue37 Feb 2018 #11
Hicks, who has been in a romantic relationship with Rob Porter was involved in crafting the response riversedge Feb 2018 #9
You can only post 4 paragraphs, to avoid copyright infringement. nt tblue37 Feb 2018 #12
done. I thought I had cut out the top part of the article but I riversedge Feb 2018 #13
You should tell that to Melania Trump! Generic Brad Feb 2018 #14
John Kelly is turning out to be a world class asshole. milestogo Feb 2018 #15
Institutional hierarchies can promote scumbags who would otherwise not be trusted by civilians. lindysalsagal Feb 2018 #20
Kelly is a despicable low-life thug just like the rest of them dalton99a Feb 2018 #16
Kelly's conduct is absolutely inexcusable.. and Cha Feb 2018 #17
Very troubling. moondust Feb 2018 #18
Another russian asset. lindysalsagal Feb 2018 #19
 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
5. It's a little bigger than that
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 05:44 PM
Feb 2018

They have a governing problem, but it's a little bigger than that even.

The core problem is corruption and an utter lack of interest in governing, but plenty in favor of accruing power and glory. And, for Trump (and probably others), money.

PJMcK

(22,056 posts)
3. Aren't these the "best people"?
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 05:26 PM
Feb 2018

That's what Trump told us! He said he'd hire the best people.

Hey, Trump! Why have so many of your people had to resign, be fired, withdraw their nomination been indicted or reached a plea deal?

If we lived in Spongebob Squarepants' Bikini Bottom, I'd think we were stuck in Opposite Day.

magicarpet

(14,187 posts)
6. Mindset - entrenched male attitudes.....
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 05:46 PM
Feb 2018

Fascist Patriarchal attitude.

Women are chattel and subservient to males. Christian driven mindset that the man rules the castle - period - full stop.

There is no such thing as woman getting raped - men do not - can not physically or mentally abuse women. A man's home is his domain - and he is to rule over that domain with an iron fist if so required.

I mean for God's sake the buy-bull even says a man can beat the ever living shit out of his servants and it is okey-dokey as long as the pulverize servant does not pass away with in 24hrs.

These deficient Nazi Fascist pigs now reside in our White House and are running and gleefully ruining our government.

Kelly appears not to be the Officer and Gentleman he was passed off to having been.


Maeve

(42,297 posts)
8. Has Kushner ever got security clearance?
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 06:37 PM
Feb 2018

Somehow, security doesn't seem to be a top priority for the misadministration...

riversedge

(70,346 posts)
9. Hicks, who has been in a romantic relationship with Rob Porter was involved in crafting the response
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 07:57 PM
Feb 2018

Last edited Wed Feb 7, 2018, 10:05 PM - Edit history (1)



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CNN: White House communications director Hope Hicks, who has been in a romantic relationship with Rob Porter, was involved in crafting the response to the allegations of domestic abuse leveled against Porter on Tuesday.




Right Turn Opinion
John Kelly allowed a senior staffer to stay without a clearance despite damning evidence of spousal abuse


https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/02/07/john-kelly-allowed-a-senior-staffer-to-stay-without-a-clearance-despite-damning-evidence-of-spousal-abuse/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-b%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.ca382e94f5a4



By Jennifer Rubin February 7 at 3:31 PM Email the author

White House Chief of Staff John Kelly with President Trump at the White House on Feb. 2. (Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post)
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“There are two overlapping scandals here. First, that he was allowed to stay in his job at all after two former spouses told the FBI that he abused them,” Matt Miller, a former Department of Justice spokesman, told me. “Second, he was apparently allowed to continue in a job where you are required to constantly handle classified information despite his having been denied a full security clearance.” Miller added: “We need to know who signed off on each, and, unless there is some explanation that has not yet been made public, those people are most likely going to need to resign as well.”



But, of course, this White House has a peculiar standard when alleged abusive behavior is at issue, beginning with the president, who was accused during the campaign — by nearly 20 women — of sexual harassment and/or assault. .......................................
Additionally, Trump endorsed Senate candidate Roy Moore of Alabama, who had been accused by multiple women of sexual assault when they were minors. The president has also verbally derided women both during the campaign and in office, intimating at one point that Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) traded sex for campaign money.

It is interesting that, say, an FBI agent wouldn’t in all likelihood be allowed to remain in his post with such evidence of domestic abuse pending. A former FBI special agent told me: “Usually if charged with domestic abuse, one would not be able to carry a firearm, and therefore would have to surrender their position or change their role in the government at a minimum.”.....................................

lindysalsagal

(20,747 posts)
20. Institutional hierarchies can promote scumbags who would otherwise not be trusted by civilians.
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 07:41 AM
Feb 2018

His rank and that of his superiors protected him all the way up.

Cha

(297,794 posts)
17. Kelly's conduct is absolutely inexcusable.. and
Wed Feb 7, 2018, 11:39 PM
Feb 2018

they're keeping things from trump now?

Like he has standards?.. LOL

Rubin called them "Deplorable".

moondust

(20,016 posts)
18. Very troubling.
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 01:29 AM
Feb 2018

I'm not sure if somebody who never held a security clearance and therefore may not be formally bound by the legal framework of holding one could even be prosecuted if they were to reveal classified information to anyone.

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