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UCmeNdc

(9,601 posts)
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 01:05 AM Feb 2018

White Women Who Enable Trump Do Not Deserve The Benefit Of Your Doubt

It’s easy to see Donald Trump’s presidency as an assault on women. The “grab them by the pussy” president has continued to find new ways to humiliate women, appointed a Cabinet made up almost entirely of white men, and created policies on reproductive rights that are draconian and deadly. Many will argue that the Women’s March and #MeToo movements are reactions to this dystopian feminist novel come to life. But that is too simple a story.


Lost in this telling of events is the role white women play in this nightmare presidency. White women helped Trump ascend to power, and are working to keep him there. They are part of Trump’s base, his funders and his administration. Yet they continue to get a pass for the far-reaching, generational damage they are helping Trump to unleash on this country, and particularly on black and brown people.




https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/daniels-opinion-white-women-trump_us_5a79f67de4b0d0ef3c09fbf0

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White Women Who Enable Trump Do Not Deserve The Benefit Of Your Doubt (Original Post) UCmeNdc Feb 2018 OP
Get a pass for what? Loki Liesmith Feb 2018 #1
Get a pass for... Mister Ed Feb 2018 #10
It is happening right here on DU EffieBlack Feb 2018 #11
Alright... Loki Liesmith Feb 2018 #30
no doubt from me . I have seen some of the nasty ones in action lunasun Feb 2018 #2
Not this white womsn. onecaliberal Feb 2018 #3
Want nothing to do with deplorable women, especially white ones! democratisphere Feb 2018 #4
IMHO, No impotus voter deserves the benefit of a doubt, regardless of gender. MLAA Feb 2018 #5
They get a pass? Really? JNelson6563 Feb 2018 #6
Look no further than DU EffieBlack Feb 2018 #12
Glad I've missed it. JNelson6563 Feb 2018 #28
Yep multiple times and as bad as Trump women are , the DU comments that they are all lunasun Feb 2018 #33
actually it's mostly white male trump supporters who get a pass . when we attack white women JI7 Feb 2018 #7
You evidently havent read other threads on this topic EffieBlack Feb 2018 #13
i saw that thread later JI7 Feb 2018 #14
Exactly nt EffieBlack Feb 2018 #15
Been many for over a year now same theme here on DU . Lots of excuses for trump women lunasun Feb 2018 #34
No one who voted for Trump deserves a pass. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #8
They're suffering economically, you see. kcr Feb 2018 #29
Oh, please. No one is "shitting on" the white women who voted for Trump. It was THEY who shat on the EffieBlack Feb 2018 #37
The woman who wrote the article in the OP discussed did. kcr Feb 2018 #40
You've completely missed the point of the article - and are engaging in exactly the behavior the EffieBlack Feb 2018 #41
I don't think I did kcr Feb 2018 #42
I've already answered your question. More than once. EffieBlack Feb 2018 #44
I want to clarify some things. Just because I think this article is garbage kcr Feb 2018 #43
So it's white privilege to protest Trump? kcr Feb 2018 #45
I really don't understand why you're having such difficulty reading what I've written EffieBlack Feb 2018 #46
I think it's the other way around kcr Feb 2018 #47
When I hear Jamaal510 Feb 2018 #9
+1000 nt brer cat Feb 2018 #31
I don't know that I would lump all white women into that category. Vinca Feb 2018 #16
Nancy Pelosi supports Trump? EffieBlack Feb 2018 #17
I don't think it should be assumed all white women support Trump. Vinca Feb 2018 #19
You need to read the OP again EffieBlack Feb 2018 #20
How about just "women who enable Trump?" Vinca Feb 2018 #21
Oh, please - don't even try it EffieBlack Feb 2018 #23
LOL - if this isn't predictable, I don't know what is. Vinca Feb 2018 #24
Predictable, perhaps. But accurate, definitely. EffieBlack Feb 2018 #26
No one wants to be lumped into a category based upon race. Vinca Feb 2018 #32
If this is about Hope Hicks, I don't think she's being defended. yardwork Feb 2018 #18
Please read the article linked to by the OP EffieBlack Feb 2018 #22
I did. I don't see defense of white women defending Trump on DU today. yardwork Feb 2018 #25
Here you go: EffieBlack Feb 2018 #27
No that's not all I have seen comments over the last year excusing the large percentage lunasun Feb 2018 #35
Never forget Alabama 2017 - WW voted for Moore by a 2 to 1 margin... 66% voted Pedopublican. NT The Polack MSgt Feb 2018 #36
I'm a white woman crazycatlady Feb 2018 #38
I suspect the real problem here is - and yes, I'm going to just come out and say it: EffieBlack Feb 2018 #39

Mister Ed

(5,944 posts)
10. Get a pass for...
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 07:19 AM
Feb 2018
the far-reaching, generational damage they are helping Trump to unleash on this country, and particularly on black and brown people.


That's the way I read the OP, anyway.



 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
11. It is happening right here on DU
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 08:01 AM
Feb 2018

... where we’re being told that many of these women are supporting Trump because they’re being abused and subjugated by their husbands and, therefore need our understanding, not criticism.

Seriously.

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
30. Alright...
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 09:20 AM
Feb 2018

I didn’t think many of us gave any Trump voters a pass though.

They all knew what they were voting for.

MLAA

(17,338 posts)
5. IMHO, No impotus voter deserves the benefit of a doubt, regardless of gender.
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 01:59 AM
Feb 2018

Though, I hear ya. As a white woman I have a little extra disgust for white women who voted for the fcker.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
6. They get a pass? Really?
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 02:31 AM
Feb 2018

Outside of their own circles who gives them a pass? Everyone I know have sees the harm they do and have no sympathy or understanding for this bullshit.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
33. Yep multiple times and as bad as Trump women are , the DU comments that they are all
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 10:07 AM
Feb 2018

being forced or don't think for themselves is in itself outrageous commentary
Plenty of examples right here on DU

JI7

(89,276 posts)
7. actually it's mostly white male trump supporters who get a pass . when we attack white women
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 02:33 AM
Feb 2018

who supported Trump you don't get people defending them or making excuses as happens when we attack white men.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
13. You evidently havent read other threads on this topic
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 08:02 AM
Feb 2018

These women ARE being defended right here.

JI7

(89,276 posts)
14. i saw that thread later
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 08:05 AM
Feb 2018

they shouldn't get a pass or made excuses for.

can you imagine what those same women who voted for trump would have said if it was Obama who had done and said the things Trump did ?

that's all one needs to do to see what they are really voting on.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
34. Been many for over a year now same theme here on DU . Lots of excuses for trump women
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 10:10 AM
Feb 2018

Plenty for trump men too

kcr

(15,320 posts)
29. They're suffering economically, you see.
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 09:05 AM
Feb 2018

Unless they're women. Then they don't get a pass. Nor do the women who march in Trump protests, because reasons.

Seriously, women, no matter what, get shit on. We are responsible for every damn thing. Even other people's votes. Men get to do whatever they damn well please.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
37. Oh, please. No one is "shitting on" the white women who voted for Trump. It was THEY who shat on the
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 12:45 PM
Feb 2018

rest of us. And expecting them to own their shit is not picking on them.

Why do you think that criticizing people who voted for Trump is somehow holding YOU responsible? Unless you voted for Trump, you are not in the category of people being called out.

kcr

(15,320 posts)
40. The woman who wrote the article in the OP discussed did.
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 12:56 PM
Feb 2018

Not one single person has answered my question in that thread. How could it possibly be that Trump protesters are responsible for Trump voters? Or, for that matter, the MeToo movement? A movement started by a black woman, I'd add. I find it especially egregious to hold women who are reporting their experiences with sexual harassment responsible for reminding people that white women voted for Trump.

I'm sorry. I'm standing by my opinion that that article is click bait garbage and it has nothing to do with protecting white women who voted for Trump. I'm not defending them or their actions because there's no excuse for them.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
41. You've completely missed the point of the article - and are engaging in exactly the behavior the
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 01:11 PM
Feb 2018

article condemns.

Daniels does not blame all white women for Trump's election or for his voters. But she does call out white women who didn't vote for Trump but who give a pass to those who did. We see that right here on DU, in fact, in this very thread. The minute anyone criticizes the 53% of white women voters who voted for Trump - and handed the election to him - as sure as day follows night, white women who didn't vote for Trump will jump in to defend them, attacking us for picking on these poor, misunderstood souls who deserve our understanding and outreach, not our scorn. The failure of other white women to call out their own and their insistence on actually circling the wagons around them in defense against those of us who have the nerve to criticize them is exactly the problem that Daniels is describing. And she's dead, spot on.

It's pure tribalism based on white privilege and, as a black woman who is constantly being called to account for the bad behavior of my sisters and brothers while being expected to fill in the glaring gap left by my white sisters who have other priorities, I find it absolutely sickening.

kcr

(15,320 posts)
42. I don't think I did
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 01:13 PM
Feb 2018

Because you won't answer my question either. You just flat out ignore it. If I missed the point, why won't you explain why she brings up the Women's March and Metoo? What is the point of holding them responsible? I think you and everyone else saw her headline and figure it's another article about the white women Trump voters. But it isn't. Why won't you answer my question? You say it's not about lumping all white women together, but the author clearly is.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
44. I've already answered your question. More than once.
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 01:26 PM
Feb 2018

I'm not going to waste any more of my time trying to explain the obvious to you. I'll just leave you to nurse your hurt feelings that people are picking on you, even though no one is. Maybe you can take it up with the author.

kcr

(15,320 posts)
43. I want to clarify some things. Just because I think this article is garbage
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 01:25 PM
Feb 2018

Doesn't mean I don't agree that that white women, even liberal white women, aren't blind to their privilege as white women. I fully agree with that. My problem is that while being a woman doesn't erase white privilege - not even close - the reverse isn't true. Being white does not erase gender inequality. Nor does it mean were indiscernible from Trump humpers. Therefore the argument that we're no different than Trump supporters and therefore practically must announce our sisterhood with them with a metaphorical asterisk every time we protest so as not to be confused with the True Activists is baloney.

I'm fully capable of acknowledging my white privilege. But not only do I think having to self-flagellate and compare myself to a Trump humper every time I talk about politics and activism in public is ridiculous, I think it would be counterproductive. The woman who wrote that article is free to do that herself if she wishes, but I think she's nuts (and I wonder at her true motives).

kcr

(15,320 posts)
45. So it's white privilege to protest Trump?
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 01:35 PM
Feb 2018

You keep saying you answered that question but is the reason I think you didn't answer because you really did. Your answer is actually we shouldn't be protesting Trump because that's white privilege? Because that's basically what that author was saying. That because we don't acknowledge the whole Trump voter thing, we're a bunch of phonies for protesting him. That's why I keep harping on the fact she brought it up. But everyone wants to ignore that. You aren't, you're just dancing around it. But now I think I see why. Your point is, don't protest. You actually agree with her.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
46. I really don't understand why you're having such difficulty reading what I've written
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 01:47 PM
Feb 2018

But for some reason, you keep insisting I've said things I haven't said at all.

I never said nor even implied that you shouldn't protest (neither did the author) and I certainly didn't say that protesting is white privilege.

I'm not going to engage in this discussion with you any further given your insistence on mischaracterizing what I'm saying, even though I've said it very plainly. Please go argue with someone else who has nothing better to do than run around in circles with you.

kcr

(15,320 posts)
47. I think it's the other way around
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 01:47 PM
Feb 2018

I don't think you get what I'm saying at all. This isn't me getting upset because white people are being attacked. I don't give a crap about that. It's women being attacked for their activism. This is something altogether different. This click-bait artist cleverly dressed it up because she's good. I googled her. There' a reason she's posted at Huffpo. But I saw right through it and I wish more people would.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
9. When I hear
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 04:05 AM
Feb 2018

people online say that "women" will help save the country from the Hamburglar-in-Chief and the rest of the GOP, I usually stay silent. In actuality, it's women (and men) of color who will have to be relied on to do the saving. As the article stated, in addition to the majority of White male voters, the majority of White female voters (53%) also supported him despite him bragging on tape about committing sexual misconduct. Many of these same women have voted Republican for years even though the GOP platform promotes an agenda that neglects women's rights. Gender issues don't seem to be on the radars of the White women who vote Republican, but something else is.

Vinca

(50,313 posts)
16. I don't know that I would lump all white women into that category.
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 08:26 AM
Feb 2018

One white woman comes immediately to mind - the 77 year old one who talked for 8 hours on the House floor yesterday to tell the world about DACA people.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
17. Nancy Pelosi supports Trump?
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 08:41 AM
Feb 2018

White women who support Trump are the topic here, so why would she come to mind?

Vinca

(50,313 posts)
19. I don't think it should be assumed all white women support Trump.
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 08:46 AM
Feb 2018

I resent being lumped into a category of obvious idiots.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
23. Oh, please - don't even try it
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 08:54 AM
Feb 2018

53 percent of white women voted for Trump. Fewer than 5 percent of black women did.

Using your logic, we should say that Democrats support Trump because a handful of stupid Democrats voted for him.

Nice try but ... oh, who am I kidding? There was nothing nice at all about that effort to deflect blame to black women for something we had nothing to do with.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
26. Predictable, perhaps. But accurate, definitely.
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 08:59 AM
Feb 2018

And your post is a perfect illustration of the reality you're trying to deny.

yardwork

(61,712 posts)
25. I did. I don't see defense of white women defending Trump on DU today.
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 08:59 AM
Feb 2018

Over the past two years, I've read a lot of crap on DU about how we're supposed to suck up to Trump voters in general, but those Trump voters are usually defined as downtrodden white men who deserve our sympathy. I've rarely seen that empathy - if that's what it is - extended to white women who support Trump.

As a bleeding heart liberal, I support increasing access to health care for everybody, improving our education systems, creating meaningful jobs programs, etc. Such programs - championed by white woman Hillary Clinton - would help lots of white Trump supporters.

But I don't think that's what this thread is about.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
35. No that's not all I have seen comments over the last year excusing the large percentage
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 10:27 AM
Feb 2018

of white female trump voters . Or beliefs they don't really exist
Same two or three talking points on why it's not their fault
Not the same excuses used for maLe trump voters or the ones used for a subset of older trump voters. Each get their own reasons explained here why we should feel sorry for them or it was beyond their own control and conscience
It seems obvious with the recent threads plenty have been turning a blind eye to DU comments for a long time .
"Never saw any" "when did anyone here say that?"
Well plenty of times over and over with others agreeing

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
38. I'm a white woman
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 12:46 PM
Feb 2018

And I hate the assumption that I voted for Trump based on the color of my skin.

I'd like to see a further breakdown of female voters. Particularly this-- married vs unmarried white women. Also by age, geography, education, and working vs homemaker.

I've talked to many women while canvassing that said their vote was their husband's decision. Most of these women were white and over 60. Some married women see themselves as an extension of their husband.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
39. I suspect the real problem here is - and yes, I'm going to just come out and say it:
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 12:50 PM
Feb 2018

I suspect a large part of the pushback we're seeing is based on something something I've seen in many other areas and discussions in the decades in which I've studied race, racism and race relations.

Despite living in a society where everyone is categorized and minorities are CONSTANTLY identified by our race/ethnicity, many white folk don't think of themselves as a particular group but just as "people" and feel very uncomfortable - and often get deeply offended - whenever they, or other white people are called "white people." This discomfort - and the sense that they have every right to be offended - is one of the privileges of being white in America.

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