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Its easy to see Donald Trumps presidency as an assault on women. The grab them by the pussy president has continued to find new ways to humiliate women, appointed a Cabinet made up almost entirely of white men, and created policies on reproductive rights that are draconian and deadly. Many will argue that the Womens March and #MeToo movements are reactions to this dystopian feminist novel come to life. But that is too simple a story.
Lost in this telling of events is the role white women play in this nightmare presidency. White women helped Trump ascend to power, and are working to keep him there. They are part of Trumps base, his funders and his administration. Yet they continue to get a pass for the far-reaching, generational damage they are helping Trump to unleash on this country, and particularly on black and brown people.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/daniels-opinion-white-women-trump_us_5a79f67de4b0d0ef3c09fbf0
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Mister Ed
(5,944 posts)That's the way I read the OP, anyway.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)... where were being told that many of these women are supporting Trump because theyre being abused and subjugated by their husbands and, therefore need our understanding, not criticism.
Seriously.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)I didnt think many of us gave any Trump voters a pass though.
They all knew what they were voting for.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)onecaliberal
(32,916 posts)I have never voted for a repuke, and I never will.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)MLAA
(17,338 posts)Though, I hear ya. As a white woman I have a little extra disgust for white women who voted for the fcker.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Outside of their own circles who gives them a pass? Everyone I know have sees the harm they do and have no sympathy or understanding for this bullshit.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Glad I don't spend much time here in recent years.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)being forced or don't think for themselves is in itself outrageous commentary
Plenty of examples right here on DU
JI7
(89,276 posts)who supported Trump you don't get people defending them or making excuses as happens when we attack white men.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)These women ARE being defended right here.
JI7
(89,276 posts)they shouldn't get a pass or made excuses for.
can you imagine what those same women who voted for trump would have said if it was Obama who had done and said the things Trump did ?
that's all one needs to do to see what they are really voting on.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)Plenty for trump men too
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,906 posts)Period. End of statement.
kcr
(15,320 posts)Unless they're women. Then they don't get a pass. Nor do the women who march in Trump protests, because reasons.
Seriously, women, no matter what, get shit on. We are responsible for every damn thing. Even other people's votes. Men get to do whatever they damn well please.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)rest of us. And expecting them to own their shit is not picking on them.
Why do you think that criticizing people who voted for Trump is somehow holding YOU responsible? Unless you voted for Trump, you are not in the category of people being called out.
kcr
(15,320 posts)Not one single person has answered my question in that thread. How could it possibly be that Trump protesters are responsible for Trump voters? Or, for that matter, the MeToo movement? A movement started by a black woman, I'd add. I find it especially egregious to hold women who are reporting their experiences with sexual harassment responsible for reminding people that white women voted for Trump.
I'm sorry. I'm standing by my opinion that that article is click bait garbage and it has nothing to do with protecting white women who voted for Trump. I'm not defending them or their actions because there's no excuse for them.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)article condemns.
Daniels does not blame all white women for Trump's election or for his voters. But she does call out white women who didn't vote for Trump but who give a pass to those who did. We see that right here on DU, in fact, in this very thread. The minute anyone criticizes the 53% of white women voters who voted for Trump - and handed the election to him - as sure as day follows night, white women who didn't vote for Trump will jump in to defend them, attacking us for picking on these poor, misunderstood souls who deserve our understanding and outreach, not our scorn. The failure of other white women to call out their own and their insistence on actually circling the wagons around them in defense against those of us who have the nerve to criticize them is exactly the problem that Daniels is describing. And she's dead, spot on.
It's pure tribalism based on white privilege and, as a black woman who is constantly being called to account for the bad behavior of my sisters and brothers while being expected to fill in the glaring gap left by my white sisters who have other priorities, I find it absolutely sickening.
kcr
(15,320 posts)Because you won't answer my question either. You just flat out ignore it. If I missed the point, why won't you explain why she brings up the Women's March and Metoo? What is the point of holding them responsible? I think you and everyone else saw her headline and figure it's another article about the white women Trump voters. But it isn't. Why won't you answer my question? You say it's not about lumping all white women together, but the author clearly is.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)I'm not going to waste any more of my time trying to explain the obvious to you. I'll just leave you to nurse your hurt feelings that people are picking on you, even though no one is. Maybe you can take it up with the author.
kcr
(15,320 posts)Doesn't mean I don't agree that that white women, even liberal white women, aren't blind to their privilege as white women. I fully agree with that. My problem is that while being a woman doesn't erase white privilege - not even close - the reverse isn't true. Being white does not erase gender inequality. Nor does it mean were indiscernible from Trump humpers. Therefore the argument that we're no different than Trump supporters and therefore practically must announce our sisterhood with them with a metaphorical asterisk every time we protest so as not to be confused with the True Activists is baloney.
I'm fully capable of acknowledging my white privilege. But not only do I think having to self-flagellate and compare myself to a Trump humper every time I talk about politics and activism in public is ridiculous, I think it would be counterproductive. The woman who wrote that article is free to do that herself if she wishes, but I think she's nuts (and I wonder at her true motives).
kcr
(15,320 posts)You keep saying you answered that question but is the reason I think you didn't answer because you really did. Your answer is actually we shouldn't be protesting Trump because that's white privilege? Because that's basically what that author was saying. That because we don't acknowledge the whole Trump voter thing, we're a bunch of phonies for protesting him. That's why I keep harping on the fact she brought it up. But everyone wants to ignore that. You aren't, you're just dancing around it. But now I think I see why. Your point is, don't protest. You actually agree with her.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)But for some reason, you keep insisting I've said things I haven't said at all.
I never said nor even implied that you shouldn't protest (neither did the author) and I certainly didn't say that protesting is white privilege.
I'm not going to engage in this discussion with you any further given your insistence on mischaracterizing what I'm saying, even though I've said it very plainly. Please go argue with someone else who has nothing better to do than run around in circles with you.
kcr
(15,320 posts)I don't think you get what I'm saying at all. This isn't me getting upset because white people are being attacked. I don't give a crap about that. It's women being attacked for their activism. This is something altogether different. This click-bait artist cleverly dressed it up because she's good. I googled her. There' a reason she's posted at Huffpo. But I saw right through it and I wish more people would.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)people online say that "women" will help save the country from the Hamburglar-in-Chief and the rest of the GOP, I usually stay silent. In actuality, it's women (and men) of color who will have to be relied on to do the saving. As the article stated, in addition to the majority of White male voters, the majority of White female voters (53%) also supported him despite him bragging on tape about committing sexual misconduct. Many of these same women have voted Republican for years even though the GOP platform promotes an agenda that neglects women's rights. Gender issues don't seem to be on the radars of the White women who vote Republican, but something else is.
brer cat
(24,621 posts)Vinca
(50,313 posts)One white woman comes immediately to mind - the 77 year old one who talked for 8 hours on the House floor yesterday to tell the world about DACA people.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)White women who support Trump are the topic here, so why would she come to mind?
Vinca
(50,313 posts)I resent being lumped into a category of obvious idiots.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Vinca
(50,313 posts)He's got some lady fans of color, too.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)53 percent of white women voted for Trump. Fewer than 5 percent of black women did.
Using your logic, we should say that Democrats support Trump because a handful of stupid Democrats voted for him.
Nice try but ... oh, who am I kidding? There was nothing nice at all about that effort to deflect blame to black women for something we had nothing to do with.
Vinca
(50,313 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)And your post is a perfect illustration of the reality you're trying to deny.
Vinca
(50,313 posts)yardwork
(61,712 posts)Far from it.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)yardwork
(61,712 posts)Over the past two years, I've read a lot of crap on DU about how we're supposed to suck up to Trump voters in general, but those Trump voters are usually defined as downtrodden white men who deserve our sympathy. I've rarely seen that empathy - if that's what it is - extended to white women who support Trump.
As a bleeding heart liberal, I support increasing access to health care for everybody, improving our education systems, creating meaningful jobs programs, etc. Such programs - championed by white woman Hillary Clinton - would help lots of white Trump supporters.
But I don't think that's what this thread is about.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)of white female trump voters . Or beliefs they don't really exist
Same two or three talking points on why it's not their fault
Not the same excuses used for maLe trump voters or the ones used for a subset of older trump voters. Each get their own reasons explained here why we should feel sorry for them or it was beyond their own control and conscience
It seems obvious with the recent threads plenty have been turning a blind eye to DU comments for a long time .
"Never saw any" "when did anyone here say that?"
Well plenty of times over and over with others agreeing
The Polack MSgt
(13,200 posts)crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)And I hate the assumption that I voted for Trump based on the color of my skin.
I'd like to see a further breakdown of female voters. Particularly this-- married vs unmarried white women. Also by age, geography, education, and working vs homemaker.
I've talked to many women while canvassing that said their vote was their husband's decision. Most of these women were white and over 60. Some married women see themselves as an extension of their husband.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)I suspect a large part of the pushback we're seeing is based on something something I've seen in many other areas and discussions in the decades in which I've studied race, racism and race relations.
Despite living in a society where everyone is categorized and minorities are CONSTANTLY identified by our race/ethnicity, many white folk don't think of themselves as a particular group but just as "people" and feel very uncomfortable - and often get deeply offended - whenever they, or other white people are called "white people." This discomfort - and the sense that they have every right to be offended - is one of the privileges of being white in America.