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Ohiogal

(32,109 posts)
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 10:27 AM Feb 2018

Rhode Island court decision says gov't has no obligation to honor it's promises


Could this affect Social Security down the line? A very troubling precedent.

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The United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit gave us an interesting glimpse of the future last week when it ruled on an obscure case involving government pension obligations.

Ever since the mid-1990s, police officers and fire fighters in the town of Cranston, Rhode Island had been promised state pension benefits upon retirement.

But, facing critical budget shortfalls over the last several years that the Rhode Island government called “fiscal peril,” the state legislature voted to unilaterally reduce public employees’ pension benefits.

Even more, these cuts were retroactive, i.e. they didn’t just apply to new employees.

The changes were applied across the board; workers who had spent their entire careers being promised certain retirement benefits ended up having their pensions cut as well.

Even the court acknowledged that these changes “substantially reduced the value of public employee pensions provided by the Rhode Island system.”

So, naturally, a number of municipal employee unions sued.

And the case of Cranston’s police and fire fighter unions made it all the way to federal court.

The unions’ argument was that the government of Rhode Island was contractually bound to pay benefits– these benefits had been enshrined in long-standing state legislation, and they should be enforced just like any other contract.

The state government disagreed.

In their view, the legislature should be able to change laws, even retroactively, whenever it suits them.
Last week the First Circuit Court issued a final ruling and sided with the state of Rhode Island: the government has no obligation to honor its promises.

News like this will never make major headlines.

But here at Sovereign Man our team pays very close attention to these obscure court cases because they often set very dangerous precedents.

This one certainly does. Because Social Security is in even WORSE condition that the State of Rhode Island’s perilous pension system.

We talk about this a lot in our regular conversations.

According to the Board of Trustees for Social Security (which includes the US Treasury Secretary, the US Secretary for Health & Human Services, and the US Secretary of Labor), the Social Security trust funds “become depleted and unable to pay scheduled benefits in full on a timely basis in 2034.”

Once again– that’s the Treasury Secretary of the United States saying that Social Security will run out of money in 16 years.

You’d think this would be shouted from the rooftops, especially given how long it takes to save for retirement.

Yet instead the news is ignored or flat-out rejected by people who simply want to believe either that it’s not a problem, or that the government has some magical solution.

The First Circuit just showed us what the solution is: cutting benefits.

And now the government has legal precedent to do so.

They can retroactively slash whatever benefit they want in their sole discretion regardless of what legislation exists, or what promises have been made in the past.

Let’s be smart about this: the clock is ticking. Sixteen years may seem like a lifetime away, but with respect to retirement, it’s nothing.

Securing a comfortable retirement takes decades of careful planning, and a lot of folks are going to have to catch up.

Fortunately there are a lot of options available, but you’re going to have to take deliberate action.

For example, you could set up a more robust structure to help you put away even more money for retirement and invest in safer, more lucrative assets that are outside the mainstream.

A number of our readers, for example, are safely earning double-digit returns in secured, asset-backed lending deals with their properly structured IRA and 401(k) vehicles.

Here are a couple of options to consider.

This problem is completely solvable. But you’re going to have to solve it for yourself. You can’t rely on the government to fix it.

The First Circuit Court affirmed last week without a doubt that government promises aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/retirement/an-obscure-court-decision-against-a-rhode-island-towns-police-officers-and-firefighters-could-be-a-warning-sign-for-social-security/ar-BBIQf5o?li=BBnb4R7&ocid=mailsignout

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Rhode Island court decision says gov't has no obligation to honor it's promises (Original Post) Ohiogal Feb 2018 OP
This doesn't surprise me at all. I have a written statement explaining sinkingfeeling Feb 2018 #1
Color me ... UpInArms Feb 2018 #2
Incidentally, the US Constitution is a written promise, so... Orrex Feb 2018 #3
This article is an advertisment to selling a retirement product Merlot Feb 2018 #4
It is not commercial spam. pintobean Feb 2018 #6
Unfortunately, there's never been a legal obligation for the Feds to pay out SS benefits. Captain Stern Feb 2018 #5
There's a critical difference in the comparison... brooklynite Feb 2018 #7

sinkingfeeling

(51,479 posts)
1. This doesn't surprise me at all. I have a written statement explaining
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 11:05 AM
Feb 2018

my future pension and health insurance benefits from 1973. My ex-employer is a huge multi-national corporation. Yet in 1994, they changed everything. Employees sued and it was determined the company didn't have to honor their written promises.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
4. This article is an advertisment to selling a retirement product
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 12:05 PM
Feb 2018

It's also a major repbulican talking point: social security is going to be insolvent. Been hearing that one for years. True, repubs are doing eerything possible to make that happen.

This problem is completely solvable. But you’re going to have to solve it for yourself. You can’t rely on the government to fix it.
---sounds like a quote from ronnie raygun / ayn rand

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
5. Unfortunately, there's never been a legal obligation for the Feds to pay out SS benefits.
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 12:14 PM
Feb 2018

Once we pay into the system, the money is no longer ours. That money is used to pay the people who are withdrawing benefits right now. Those of us who are currently paying into the system are scheduled to receive benefits in the future as long as the program is still operating the way it is today.

The fact is, the Feds have always had the power to reduce, or increase, SS benefits. They could eliminate the program entirely, and none of us would legally be owed a dime.

brooklynite

(94,783 posts)
7. There's a critical difference in the comparison...
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 12:31 PM
Feb 2018

...SS recipients can vote out members of Congress stupid enough to actually try and eliminate benefits.

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