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ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 04:46 PM Feb 2018

Something I don't understand about the Porter abuse

Note: Please do not read this as an attempt to blame the victims. I know the abuse happened. It's his psychological issue that seems really weird.

His first wife, Holderness, said he started abusing her on their honeymoon. His second wife, Willoughby, stated that she was familiar with his anger, but it became much, much worse on their honeymoon.

I don't understand why the abuse would begin (or become significantly worse) immediately after the wedding. What is the psychological reason behind that? Was he always angry and wanting to abuse but just kept himself under control until the relationship had been solidified by marriage and he could let it out? Or was the act of marriage a catalyst?

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OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
3. Doubt anyone can get inside his warped mind conclusively. My
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 04:49 PM
Feb 2018

guess would be that the wedding vow cemented his thought that she was now his "property" - his to do with as he wished. He could also have such self-loathing that he feels contempt for anyone willing to marry him.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
13. Ok, if I may take a sickening line of thought
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 07:08 PM
Feb 2018

I understand that marriage could mean "ownership" to someone like him. The abuse, then, seems reminiscent of master/slave relationships. The master must "break" the slave's will. It's a horrible comparison and equally horrible for what it implies about who knows how many marriages.

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
14. Remember that marriage vows used to consistently include women
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 08:05 PM
Feb 2018

stating they would "obey". Part of this - I believe - has cultural roots.

writerJT

(190 posts)
4. Maybe some kind of extreme reaction to (edited)
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 04:51 PM
Feb 2018

commitment. I don’t know, just a guess. Whatever it is, the guy has exhibited an alarmingly dangerous pattern and it’s a good thing both women made it out of those marriages alive.

Edit: posts 1, 2, and 3 raise a great point. I agree with what they’re saying as well.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,899 posts)
5. I've heard of the same thing happening in other abuse cases -
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 04:54 PM
Feb 2018

Sweet, loving new hubby turns mean soon after the wedding. I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing that now that he "owns" her he feels like he can get away with doing whatever he wants with her.

unblock

(52,386 posts)
7. weddings are stressful times, and that can bring out the worst in people.
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 04:55 PM
Feb 2018

of course weddings are generally happy occasions, but they're also very stressful and a once in a lifetime affair (ok, maybe a twice or thrice in a lifetime affair, but still).

it's all too easy for a controlling spouse to be pissed off that something did not go as planned or hoped, and to blame the other spouse.

and if they're given to violence, then it may very well come out on the honeymoon if not the wedding night itself.


add to that the "ownership" view the controlling spouse might have and the permanence of marriage, violence may seem to be the only means to impose their control over the situation.


note, i'm just trying to offer an explanation, not in any way endorsing the multiple sicknesses that are involved in abusive behavior.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
8. "The prize is finally mine-- I won it; the papers are signed..."
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 04:58 PM
Feb 2018

"The prize is finally mine-- I won it; the papers are signed, and there's no turning back. Tonight you finally meet me. The real me. The me who was afraid you'd leave if you saw him -- and you would have, and you could have. But not now. Now you are a possession of mine. You are carpet. You are furniture. Tonight, I will make you see that. I will make you see me. The ring on your finger ensures you will not leave."


The Psychology of Abusive Relationships by Pamela Kole

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
9. It's the typical pattern
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 04:59 PM
Feb 2018

They are often in a very big hurry to get married. Sadly, at the beginning of the relationship, they are often extremely caring and kind. It's ironically called the "honeymoon" period. Once you are married, it is very common for the abuse (usually controlling behavior) to begin almost immediately. Roughly speaking, they are in a hurry because they can't keep up the gentle behavior for long, and once married, there is this pent up need to control. In some cases it can start right after the proposal and slowly escalate all the way to the "altar".

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
12. So he was able to control himself (to some extent) till the wedding
Thu Feb 8, 2018, 07:01 PM
Feb 2018

Afterward, all bets were off. Honestly, I had not tried finding out how long the relationships were prior to the weddings, but I did suspect he rushed into marriage.

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